: Problems with the above theory: 1.When the Five Champions
: come upon Alric during their rescue (though, I
: suppose, you wouldn't call it a real rescue since
: Alric was never in any danger), Alric is exhausted and
: disoriented because he was under interrogation—-not
: because of some late night meeting. Unless, of course,
: he faked it, which you'll have to explain yourself.
: Second, even after Balor's death, which unbound the
: Deceiver, he continued fighting the Light (implied by
: Myth II) and was vanquished by it. If he and Alric
: really were chums, one of them would have stopped the
: fighting ASAP. That, and/or Alric would have freed the
: Deceiver long before 60 years had passed with the
: Deceiver in ice--Alric wouldn't have waited until his
: our of desperation to free a close friend. He waited
: that long because it was a gamble--he couldn't be sure
: who the Deceiver would fight for.
Hm, it is never explained how or why he is exhausted. I take it he is exhausted from being held up in a force field for quite awhile. And, he could have faked it, sure. The Deceiver did not fight the Light after Balor's death...what are you talking about? The Watcher beat him severely and brought the Deceiver to a near-death state (see GURPS).
Also, I said I'm leaning towards the theory that the Deceiver gave Alric bad information. But, if you're wondering why it took Alric 60 years to unfreeze the Deceiver. Well, he had no purpose to.
: OK, I grant that this is possible--it just has no
: evidence supporting it. What was the D's motive--to
: help the Light, or to take over the Dark? Can't have
: been to help the Light--the D would have told Alric
: his plan, and the stuff I wrote above also proves why
: it can't be true.
Why not? The Deceiver is a DECEIVER. He does not let anyone know his plans but "helps" those who could further his personal progress. How does what you wrote above prove my idea is not true? It does nothing of the sort.
His motive must have been to knock
: out Balor and take over the Dark himself
No, he never had this motive and it is never evident through any of the Myth text.
--unlikely
: considering that 1. Soulblighter was Balor's right
: hand man, and more likely to take the helm, and 2.
: What the heck did it get him? With Balor dead, the
: Dark was so weakened that the Deceiver was hunted down
: until he was forced into a sixty year sleep. The above
: two points make unlikely your theory.
Heh, you seem to think you can refute my theories by simply restating basic Myth story. The Deceiver does NOT want to command the Dark, that is obvious. I think he wants a return to the former glory of Cath Bruig and to finish off any enemies. He wants nothing to do with the Dark's desire to take over the world.
You seem to think that every character either wants to save the world or destroy it, and that is not the case. Balor did (which is questionable), Soulblighter did, but the Deceiver, the Watcher and Shiver all had different agendas and never showed signs of wanting to destroy the world.
: This is what you said about the Great Devoid. Frankly,
: it's bad reasoning. That there is a possibility that
: Alric can die--a very strong possibilty--in the course
: of his escape, should make it obvious that his captor
: has no intention of letting him escape. What are we to
: say if, while playing the level "Out of the
: Barrier," Alric gets killed and we end up at the
: defeat screen---"Oh shoot, I entered the
: alternate universe where Alric's captor DOES want him
: dead!"
What? The purpose of the game is to win, and by wining you tell the story. Christ, its not difficult. There is no alternate Universe so if you want to see the story you must win. It's how you interpret the story that matters.
: I know you like complex theories, but sometimes you gotta
: sit back and say "Whoa, I made up a really
: complicated back-story without a shred of
: evidence!"
Hmm...no. From what I've gathered, I wouldn't say I have no evidence. I've brought plenty of things to the table.
: The best example that I can introduce to try to prove my
: point that the game-makers at Bungie were simply
: trying to make the level possible to win, rather than
: communicate some essential plot line, is this:
: "The Last Battle." Balor could have quite,
: quite easily massacred Alric. Instead of sending
: successive waves of thrall up a hill, he could have
: sent the massive armies of fetch and myrmidons you
: meet later. He could have sent them all his units at
: the same time. He could have walked up the hill and
: begin fricking zapping your units to the next
: dimension. Or he could have STAYED IN HIS CASTLE AND
: SIPPED LEMONADE WHILE HIS ARMY HACKED YOU TO BITS. But
: he came out--not because he wants you to kill him, but
: because he slipped up.
No, because the Legion brought out the Myrkridian standard. He came out because he was formally Connacht and the sight of the thing so enraged him that he had to destroy it and its carriers himself.
Same thing in "The Five
: Champions." Balor slipped up--how, we cannot be
: sure. We do not know all the circumstances. But we
: should not assume that every time you win a level
: seemingly against the odds, it signifies a plot twist.
I never said that, but when you add everything together, it seems odd. Alric is caught by the Deceiver, Alric is left by himself guarded by essentially 10 soulless, once you hack through 3 groups of thrall and some ghols, Alric is easily rescued by breaking a force field, and he reveals some plans that are false, somehow learns of the Watcher's (The Deceiver's sworn enemy) weakness to his bone and learns of the location of the Eblis stone. Who else would know these things but someone who was alive for a thousand years and was around when Connacht sought to destroy the ancient artifacts and probably studied his enemy's weakness for the life of the rival.
In this case, the story doesn't fit that Balor would have Alric and not do anything with him. Balor would never let five men capture Alric, he had too many troops not to use them. As for the Last Battle, all of Balor's troops were being diverted so he has an excuse. In this case, there is no excuse. Balor knew the Legion wouldn't cross the Cloudspine so he basically had one of their most improtant men with the entire Legion stuck hundreds of miles away for a few months. Come on, Balor knows better. He wouldn't let this opportunity pas him by.
What is the point of this site and all of the theories thrown around and the new GURPS book if Bungie wanted us to take the story in Myth and Myth 2 as it was? I suggest you get GURPS and read through it. It'll give you another perspective rather than the one you have now.
Chris
