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Re: READ THIS, NOT BELOW (I hit "POST" b
Posted By: Charon (cache-1.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net)
Date: 1/6/2000 at 10:32 p.m.
In Response To: READ THIS, NOT BELOW (I hit "POST" by ac (Chris t' Crappy)
: Like WW brings up, its incredibly hard to meet with your
: "enemy" secretly without others knowing. By
: setting up this "capture" they could meet
: for not just a few hours (like a secret meeting would
: restrict them to) but for weeks. In turn, the Deceiver
: will have his reputation as evil heightened.
Problems with the above theory: 1.When the Five Champions come upon Alric during their rescue (though, I suppose, you wouldn't call it a real rescue since Alric was never in any danger), Alric is exhausted and disoriented because he was under interrogation—-not because of some late night meeting. Unless, of course, he faked it, which you'll have to explain yourself.
Second, even after Balor's death, which unbound the Deceiver, he continued fighting the Light (implied by Myth II) and was vanquished by it. If he and Alric really were chums, one of them would have stopped the fighting ASAP. That, and/or Alric would have freed the Deceiver long before 60 years had passed with the Deceiver in ice--Alric wouldn't have waited until his our of desperation to free a close friend. He waited that long because it was a gamble--he couldn't be sure who the Deceiver would fight for.
: But, I'm leaning towards either the Deceiver worked
: things out with Alric during Alric's captivity, or the
: Deceiver tricked Alric by impersonating Balor.
OK, I grant that this is possible--it just has no evidence supporting it. What was the D's motive--to help the Light, or to take over the Dark? Can't have been to help the Light--the D would have told Alric his plan, and the stuff I wrote above also proves why it can't be true. His motive must have been to knock out Balor and take over the Dark himself--unlikely considering that 1. Soulblighter was Balor's right hand man, and more likely to take the helm, and 2. What the heck did it get him? With Balor dead, the Dark was so weakened that the Deceiver was hunted down until he was forced into a sixty year sleep. The above two points make unlikely your theory.
: But, the heroes didn't die. And that's how the story
: goes.
This is what you said about the Great Devoid. Frankly, it's bad reasoning. That there is a possibility that Alric can die--a very strong possibilty--in the course of his escape, should make it obvious that his captor has no intention of letting him escape. What are we to say if, while playing the level "Out of the Barrier," Alric gets killed and we end up at the defeat screen---"Oh shoot, I entered the alternate universe where Alric's captor DOES want him dead!"
I know you like complex theories, but sometimes you gotta sit back and say "Whoa, I made up a really complicated back-story without a shred of evidence!"
: I've addressed this. I said that no matter what Balor
: might have been waiting for, in terms of a military
: attack, he should have had someone moving Alric
: farther and farther away. After all, the Legion fought
: 500,000 (!) Dark soldiers at Balor's fortress, and
: this is after the Watcher and Deceiver's armies killed
: each other off. I think he could spare a few thousand
: to guard Alric. Balor is not dumb, and if he truly had
: Alric in his grasps, he would have done something more
: with him.
: But back in it for over a hundred years. The start of the
: Great War does not mark his arrival on the scene.
: As I've said, there were 500,000 troops waiting for the
: Legion at Balor's fortress. At the time of Alric's
: captivity, the Watcher and Deceiver both had full
: armies. I think Balor could spare a few thousand.
: Plus, the rescue took place in November, just as the
: mountains were freezing. It is stressed that the
: Legion will *not* attempt to cross the mountains
: during the winter, just hold their position and try to
: stop the Dark from advancing through the passes.
: Balor knows the Legion would never attempt a large troop
: movement through the snow-filled mountains during the
: Winter.
The best example that I can introduce to try to prove my point that the game-makers at Bungie were simply trying to make the level possible to win, rather than communicate some essential plot line, is this: "The Last Battle." Balor could have quite, quite easily massacred Alric. Instead of sending successive waves of thrall up a hill, he could have sent the massive armies of fetch and myrmidons you meet later. He could have sent them all his units at the same time. He could have walked up the hill and begin fricking zapping your units to the next dimension. Or he could have STAYED IN HIS CASTLE AND SIPPED LEMONADE WHILE HIS ARMY HACKED YOU TO BITS. But he came out--not because he wants you to kill him, but because he slipped up. Same thing in "The Five Champions." Balor slipped up--how, we cannot be sure. We do not know all the circumstances. But we should not assume that every time you win a level seemingly against the odds, it signifies a plot twist.
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