: Look, Chris, Dan is right. It's ridiculous to keep this
: theory alive while there is no evidence. You make
: reference to some being there, but the only thing I've
: read by you is that Soulblighter "did some
: strange things" elsewhere in the game and
: "is probably working with the Head." Neither
: of these provide direct evidence as to why he isn't
: trying to prevent the destruction of Balor, nor do
: they refute any of the points I bring up. Especially
: noteworthy is the second one, which, as Dan explains,
: is irrefutable--everyone there to see Soulblighter
: will die soon. He has no one to fool.
Interestingly, in the opening cutscene to Myth 2, Alric dreams of the dwarf throwing Balor's head into the devoid, so somehow he knew or recalled this event. Also the strange appearance of half of Alric flying through the Great Devoid area in the final cutscene of Myth: TFL. There are a lot of unanswered questions surrounding the devoid.
Back to my original post, which we seemed to have strayed from. I was looking over the Journal entries when I read that the Deceiver captured Alric near the Cloudspine. I had forgotten, and now this makes more sense. The Deceiver could have easily fooled Alric into believing he was talking to Balor. If Shiver, who is apparently much less skilled in the art of deception, could make Rabican think he was seeing Moagim, why wouldn't the Deceiver be able to fool a weakened Alric?
"Alric was interrogated by Balor during his captivity, and he learned by chance that Balor had bound each of The Fallen to himself, to ensure their obedience to his will. The Fallen draw their power through these links, and were Balor to be killed they would all be powerless. The armies of the Dark would collapse."
Why would such a powerful enemy let this secret out. It sounds like the old James Bond movies ;)
My guess would be that someone wanted Balor dead, or at least the attention to be thrown completely on him so he impersonated Balor and created this lie.
: state the obvious--this is a conventional
: FANTASY/ADVENTURE game, not the X-files. You're making
: things out to be way, way too complicated. You say I'm
: making it too simple, but this is as simple as it
: gets: objective is to throw head into the devoid.
: Soulblighter tries to kill you. He wants the head
: himself, actually asks for it. Unless he has the
: intent to take it and throw it in himself, seeing as
: there really is NO reason he would go to all that
: effort, and which you pose as a theory but cannot give
: it any plausibility, there is simply only one
: conclusion: he doesn't want the head to go into the
: hole.
I've also said that Soulblighter may want the head for other reasons, perhaps a transfer of the Leveller's powers.
And this is hardly your conventional Fantasy game, the depth is incomparable. Warcraft has the concept of good vs. evil but I don't see a story page still alive and well. As a matter of fact, there is hardly any story in the game. The history is very rich and all the Fallen Lords have a detailed history that has not be revealed to us. Without this knowledge we can not fully assess the complete story and motive behind the characters.
: As for the recuperation idea, this, I admit, is an as yet
: unproven theory. The two big pieces of evidence that I
: have are that 1) Alric says the Fallen Lords rely on
: Balor, and, as I said above, the good people at Bungie
: try not to confuse us, and 2) Soulblighter flees for
: sixty years! Why? Well, it says somewhere in Myth II
: (the manual or a pre-game text, I just can't remember,
: but it's something written by Bungie) that
: Soulblighter went back to the dark temple where he
: originally learned the ways of the Dark to recuperate.
: From what? Clearly, the loss of Balor was a problem.
: Also, it isn't farfetched at all--we don't know what
: kind of powers the Deceiver had before and after the
: death of Balor, but the very fact that he was defeated
: in the Cloudspine might point to some sort of weakness
: (which the battle with The Watcher certainly
: contributed to but may not have been the sole cause
: of). Also, Soulblighter, in "The Great
: Devoid," can be hurt by berserks, something he is
: essentially immune to all throughout Myth II. I wonder
: if his invincibility isn't some sort of ability he
: temporarily lost because of Balor's death.
No, he has no magical ability that rivals his allied Fallen Lords. He is simply exceptional at martial arts and has a great deal of potential. He learns everything *after* Balor's death so there was nothing for him to lose in the first place.
: Anyway, the only reason I brought all that up was because
: I really doubt that the captor of Alric in the Barrier
: was anyone but Balor. I think Alric could see through
: any disguise, or, as I postulated before, Alric simply
: got the information wrong, or the theory posed here is
: correct (meaning the info wasn't wrong at all).
Alric doesn't seem to get information wrong nor does he have the absolute power to see through something hatched by the Deceiver. The D didn't get that name for telling the truth or playing by the rules.
Or perhaps there is an even larger twist:
GURPS-
"Others suggest appearances were just that, and the Deceiver served the Light as a spy in Balor's ranks."
Interesting. It would make sense that if Alric was captured by the Deceiver and was at his camp for awhile that these two could have been allies and were discussing plans or perhaps they allied during that period of "captivity".
Why would Alric be so quick to ally with the Deceiver in Myth 2 when he was the one who captured Alric and killed his army 60 years earlier? I would think you couldn't trust a man such as him, but maybe Alric knows him better than we all think.
Chris
