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Re: Musinbgs on Myrdred, Bonesplitter, and Shiver
Posted By: SiliconDream (anton-mates.hip.berkeley.edu)
Date: 7/15/1999 at 1:05 a.m.
In Response To: Re: Musinbgs on Myrdred, Bonesplitter, and Shiver (Forrest)
: Older than Balor as Balor, certainly. Older than Balor as
: Connacht? Well, nothing says he's not, but I doubt
: that he is.
I withdraw this suggestion. I only made it because I figured that Connacht, being only human, wouldn't have a lifespan of more than a century (obviously, I forgot about the Heron Guards)--much shorter than his thousand-year existence as Balor. But now I remember that he ushered in the last Light millennium in the great cycle, so he must have been around for those thousand years before he returned as Balor and initiated the Dark millennium. So forget that. (Incidentally, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you've said that the whole Light/Dark cycle takes a thousand years. But we know from the Myth II epilogue that each Age of Light or Darkness is a thousand years long, so the cycle actually takes two thousand years.)
: Not neccesarily. It says he was an Avatara of the Wind
: Age, meaning he was around sometime in the 500-odd
: years between when Connacht arose and when he turned
: into Balor. But he wasn't evil then, not until Balor
: bent him to his will.
I don't remember that The Deceiver was an Avatara; could you tell me where it says this? I'll take your word for it, though. Anyway, my justification for thinking that Myrdred had been Fallen for a thousand years was the Silvermines journal entry:
"Problem is The Deceiver is thinking the same thing. Some of The Fallen are over a millennium old, and their rivalries go back just as far. We know The Deceiver is looking for the arm too...."
I interpreted this as meaning that The Deceiver and The Watcher have been rivals for at least a thousand years, and if The Deceiver was a good guy during that time he'd be called an "enemy," not a "rival." "Rival" implies that both have the same goals and each is striving to achieve them first. So The Deceiver must have been a bad guy throughout the last millennium.
: 300 years previous to Myth:TFL, Balor subborned the
: Myrmidons.
Right, so my Trow/Myrmidon theory is dead.
: I presume you know my Head-theory, yes? The anti-Leveler?
: Where the Head has been around for six thousand years,
: making sure the Leveler is defeated on schedule every
: time, usually at his own expense? What if Soulblighter
: is the anti-anti-Leveler, befriending each hero and
: then turning them to the dark? Or what if Soulblighter
: *is* the Leveler? Don't you think it's odd that now,
: in the *seventh* cycle, Soulblighter would take
: actions which could possibly break the cycle, *and*
: Soulblighter dies in the process? And the Head seems
: to have dissapeared as well, after Myth:TFL.
I've heard the Head-Anti-Leveler theory, and I think it fits very well with the theme of other Bungie games--inhuman thing manipulates mankind for mankind's own good. The main problem I see with it is that the Head lies, doublecrosses, starts a civil war, and gets eight of the Nine killed completely unnecessarily. The "Head could do no wrong," remember? The Nine trusted it completely. If it had a plan that sounded like a long shot, like "Go into the Tain, get a Myrkridian standard, use it to lure out Balor, zap him with an Eblis Stone and let the zerks go Jet Li on his ass," I'm sure the Nine would have obeyed. The Head had no need for deception if it was a genuine good guy. I think the evidence points more toward the other theory already suggested--I don't remember who by--of the Head being a Thoth-like agent of balance (or Thoth himself, if you wanna get loco) who sought to stalemate the Light and Dark forces.
And if this is so you actually have a link to Soulblighter like the one you suggested: both the Head and Soulblighter seek to stop the cycle (the Head by stalemating the war, Soublighter by destroying the world) and both disappear instead or are destroyed.
: Someone else has pointed out that Zerks and Myrms have
: similar names; "Thrudnir Clasher of Shields"
: becomes "Shieldclasher", etc.
Yeah, that certainly fits with their common origin.
: Unfortunately, this spare is flat :\
Shot Down!
BTW, Forrest, if you've been gone for a while you may not have noticed that your "General Theory" post got a lot of replies. I made some observations concerning Marathon's rogue star (and everything else under the sun) and I wondered if you had any comments about them.
--SiliconDream
P.S. Does anyone see any significance in the name of the "Eblis Stone?" Eblis, or Iblis, is the Islamic Devil, damned for his pride.
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