: Mazzarin was the founder of the order of the Avatara, so,
: yes.
No, Mazzarin was not one of the Nine. The Nine were the 9 avatara in charge of the Legion during the Great War. The Nine were all avatara but not all avatara were part of the Nine, but my guess is that at that moment there were only 9 avatara. Mazzarin founded the order of the avatara that doesn't mean the avatara were given the name The Nine all the time just for the 9 avatara who challange the Fallen during the Great War.
So The Nine were:
Alric
Rabican
Maeldun
Murgen
Cu Roi
and 4 others... which were none of the shades or Mazzarin
If you think Mazzarin was part of the Nine then The Deceiver must have been part of the Nine since he was an avatara during the Wolf Age. But no they both were avatara once but they were never part of the Nine.
: Depends on who you ask. Some believe that it's basically
: true except for the bit about Mjarin being the
: Leveller, others believe that all things with the
: title of Myth not made by Bungie should be burned at
: the stake. And all opionons in between. If there's one
: thing you can rely on us to do, it's to disagree. :D
: The Faceless Man was one of the Fallen Lords mentioned in
: the prerelease and /may/ be the cowled Lieutenant of
: Connacht from Tales from TFL. Some think he's just
: another name for Soulblighter. Bonesplitter is
: mentioned in GURPS, was also known as Bheil the
: Lurker, and was a mistress of elemental magic. I have
: a personal suspicion that she may have some connection
: with either the Myrmidons, purely because the name
: "Bonesplitter" just screams 'Myrmidon!', or
: that she is one of the 'dark gods' of the Ghols, via
: the elemental connection.
: According to GURPS, the other members of the Nine were
: all household names, but didn't catch the spotlight
: during the Great War. Getting brutally killed probably
: didn't help matters.
: Not necessarily. All Shades were Archmagi in life, but
: not all Archmagi were Avatara. The Nine were a circle
: of extremely powerful wizards, yes, but it doesn't
: follow that all extremely powerful wizards were
: members of the Nine. For example, some of the Masters
: of the Scholomance are probably a match for the
: Avatara in power, but would never be admitted into the
: circle on account of being (for want of a better word)
: evil. The same could probably be said of many Shades,
: whose flavour text suggests that many weren't exactly
: nice people in life.
I agree about the shade thing.
-Pyro
