: The Dwarves came out of the ground. Are you saying
: they're not children of Wyrd? And the ocean and sky
: are similarly of this world. The Myrkrydia and Fetch
: were not children of Wyrd, being drawn from other
: dimensions, as was Syrkrosh and her giant spiders
: (although it's possible that there were already giant
: spiders native to the world) but I think the
: implication is that Wyrd created everything unless
: stated otherwise- even the Ghols seem to have been led
: astray by "the Whisperers in Darkness"
: rather than worshipping their own creators.
Where does it say the Dwarves came out of the ground? I didn't see that even in Myth III. They did in Norse mythology, of course, but it's certainly not mentioned in the first two Myth games. All we know about any of the Younger Races is that they "began to appear" over an extended period, seemingly in some sort of evolutionary fashion--man starting out as a "simple beast," for example. As opposed to the abrupt arrival of each Elder Race from somewhere else.
It's not that the sea, sky and ground aren't part of the world; it's that they're its borders, so anything entering the world from Outside will come through them. Remember, there's no reason to think of Myth's world as a planet per se; most seem to think it's really just limited to the continent that we know, plus a bit of window dressing around the edges before Wyrd's vision fades. Above the sky, space; beneath the ground, the mythical other side of the world and/or the portals through which the first great spiders came. Beneath the sea, I have no idea...but you get the picture. :-)
Then, too, there's the can't-be-a-coincidence that an Elder Race appears every thousand years, the same timetable as everyone's favorite "transient divinity." It's not a stretch to presume that both the Leveller and the creator(s) of the Elder Races--assuming they're not the same being--find Wyrd's creation most accessible during those periods.
By the way, I don't think the otherworldly origin of the Myrkridia described in Myth III really fits with what we know of them from earlier games. They're described as present in our world before the Wind Age; they're very mundane and "natural" in appearance (though ugly); and most tellingly, they don't have to conceal their form the way the Fetch do. I think it's much more likely that--in Bungie's view, at least--the Krids are simply the most vicious of the Younger Races.
: You're assuming that the initiative was the Elder Races'.
: From the Trow point of view, simply the facts that
: they existed and that they were powerful made them a
: threat to Trow dominion and forming the world in Nyx's
: image. All of which made it necessary for the Trow to
: march out and KIK them into the ground. Some, like the
: Oghres, actively provoked the Trow, but generally
: speaking, the Trow considered their Empire to stretch
: across the world. To claim that the holdings of your
: race were not a part of the Trow Empire would have
: been an act of rebellion against Nyx's order, and more
: than sufficient justification (in the Trow view, at
: least) for you to be crushed.
All the Trow say, though, is that the Elder Races "came into conflict with us;" they didn't start building an empire until later (again, unless you count Myth III). They also describe the Callieach in particular as "fearsome." The Trow don't have a problem admitting it when they really ARE just out to expand their empire, so I take it that their wars with the Elder Races were of a different nature. You'll notice, too, that they never tried to enslave the Elder Races. It seems like more of a natural selection thing--both Trow and Elder Races simply refused to exist side by side.
Anyway, though, I wasn't saying that the Elder Races were particularly warlike. I'm just saying that, so far as the Trow tell us, no Elder Race never confronted them on religious grounds. The Oghres seem to stand out in their memory as the first (and perhaps only) race to do that. Which suggests to me, again, that the Elder Races weren't created by Wyrd. Surely the Callieach, say, would have readily condemned the Trow as a "race of consorts" if the former had any allegiance to Wyrd.
