: I don't really buy it. I'd make him something other than
: a Heron.
I still do. I allways saw SB as one of the greatest swordfighters ever, and it would make sense for a swordfighter of his skill to be in the elite Heron Gaurd.
: I like that idea for a level. And there's no real problem
: working in the Connacht-Trow struggle. The Trow are
: enemies of everybody, light and Dark. They look down
: on everything non-Trow. They may hate Krids but they'd
: hate humans too... well, hate is too strong a word,
: maybe disdain works better.
Naa, disdain suggests the care, I think Trow look on the rest of the world as we look on flies, things to squash when they get in the way.
: that's basically what M3 does. Mazzarin says "I have
: read the Total Codex, I have seen the future" or
: some such, and then gives Connacht his memories.
Yea except I'd take out the idea that Mazzarin read all the Codex, the Codex allways appears to choose what to show you. So Connacht would know some stuff, though nevertheless training from the Avatara works good too.
: As for turning Connacht into a mage, I still think that
: just learning magics from the Avatara is the most
: sensible way. As the game goes on he just get more
: civilized and more magical and eventually morphs from
: a screaming barbarian into the gilded general we see
: in Tales.
: Bah, that's too... cheesy. If you can beam all of the
: Myrkridia in there, the entire dominant race of the
: planet, then you could beam a bunch of pansy undead in
: there too.
Well I didn't mean that as a direct qoute, but the basic idea that the Dwarves haven't quite perfected their skills and the Tain is perfect.
: Not the Spiders, the Smiths. You would lead a force of
: Dwarves lead by some Smiths down into the forges and
: attack a bunch of Spider-cultists and stuff, just like
: normal. Only difference is, there are other Smiths on
: the enemy side too.
Yea I agree with that, I son't know what I was trying to get across when I typed that but I think I was trying to agree.
: Sure, I suppose that could work. Maybe an old, broken
: Sunhammer. And not *a*, *the*. Big powerful magical
: artifacts are not mass-produced!
Yea I agree with that THE definately.
: GURPS says the Avatara are traditionally based in
: Madrigal. I'm trying to contradict as few sources as
: possible here.
Though you know my opinion of GURPS, and I still think that If the Myrks were so powerful then Llancarfan should be the only city left.
: Oh yes, that's another thing I'd change... Myrdred
: shouldn't be evil yet! He's one of the ones who wasn't
: turned from the Light. Hell, Myrdred shouldn't even be
: around back then! There were three ancient ones -
: Bahl'al, Soulblighter, and the Voiceless One. With
: that whole Shiver = Voiceless One thing, that makes
: having Ravanna back then OK (ooh, idea - see
: footnote). Replace the D's character with someone else
: instead, to remedy that.
I prefer having Myrdred back then cos it sets up the Head/Mjarin-Myrdred Connection. I never saw Myrdred as truly evil, he doesn't make it is aim to kill people, only if their between him and knowledge. And the Ravanna-SB connection I like too.
: Agreed. That actually makes a decent explanation for the
: story revision as well - remember, the first one was
: some Jman translating some ancient ruined tome of
: Connacht. What we present here could be an actual
: first-hand account, and therefore much more accurate.
Yea, kinda like Hobbit 1930's vs Hobbit 1950's
: One other thing that really need changing, but would be
: somewhat difficult: Soulless were created by
: Soulblighter, who is not evil yet! They need to be
: replaced by something else. Wights may also be a
: problem - see footnote.
That is a problem, maybe replace them with some sort of thrall with spears. And maybe they should get rid of the Wights just cos the look so bad:P
: FOOTNOTE: Shiver, Ravanna, Culwyeh, and the Voiceless
: One. According to GURPS, which by our new cannon
: categories is more authoratative than Myth 3, Shiver's
: true name is Culwyeh. The Voiceless One, who is also
: listed in the prerelease info as one of the ancient
: three of the Fallen, is really named Ravanna. But,
: Myrdred called Shiver's second incarnation Ravanna -
: implying some identity connection between the two.
And it's in her Flavor box.
: My favorite theory on this (and I know Sili had some
: disagreeing theory) was always that The Voiceless One,
: who according to GURPS is a shadowy thing whose
: actions were barely known even to Balor, was a
: previous incarnation of Shiver, who was killed in some
: way that didn't really destroy her, but made her
: effectively dead. She then reincarnated as Culwyeh,
: who eventually became Shiver. Balor, on his recruiting
: of evil folks, somehow managed to bring The Voiceless
: One back as well - splitting their mutual soul between
: the two of them.
: It strikes me now, that this whole thing about
: disconnecting Shiver's soul from her body and it
: lingering behind, could have to do with this split
: soul. It was still linked to The Voiceless One, and
: thus still around. When Soulblighter made it
: corporeal, he more incarnated the old
: Ravanna/Voiceless One than he did Shiver/Culwyeh.
I dunno I'm not a big fan of this, but I'll get back to you.
: I'm really having trouble getting clear thoughts on this
: whole thing right now... so I'll let you stew over it
: and get back to me later. A few last thoughts though:
: if Culwyeh was a later life of Ravanna, then there
: should be no wights in Myth 3 either. Personally I
: thought the use of undead was a little overdone anyway
: - it's an entirely different era, I wanted more
: different monsters. The different kinds of Myrkridia,
: Trow, and Ghols were cool, as were the
: Spider-cultists. But the same old undead... meh.
: Thrall, sure, they're Bahl'al's staples. But there
: should be something more original for the rest of the
: stuff. Maybe some of those "even worse"
: things that come about from reanimating the creamated.
BALROOOOOGS!!!!!!!!, but i guess that probably went on the Cliche side of the pizza box:P I like the idea of Thrall spearmen, and maybe wight prototypes, or more varying Shades.
All in all we're hammering quite a good story out here me thinks.
-zeph
