Re: Bush and his politics

Posted By: Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com)
Date: 6/9/2003 at 7:40 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Bush and his politics (Seraph)

Problem is, what do we define as "broke"? When is something fouled up enough to need to be fixed?

I would say, when it is no longer working. No system that man has yet to devise will work perfectly, so we just have to learn to live with its small problems and make improvements as they become available. Given that our mixture of capitalist drive and socialist inclusion has worked well enough thus far, I see no need to call for revolution or the complete overhaul of the system.

I don't think Socialism has ever been (for whatever reason) strong enough in any area where it would actually be capable of working. Thus, saying it doesn't work is sort of like saying a house of cards won't stand.

I agree, but I fail to see where you're going with this. That is what I was saying. That socialism is not strong enough to be an economic system in and of itself. It's a partial-idea and only works as a part of a greater socio-economic structure.

-Phil.

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                    Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 5/28/2003 at 1:43 p.m.
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                      Seraph (adsl-64-171-4-240.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 5/28/2003 at 9:35 p.m.
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                        Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 5/29/2003 at 1:02 p.m.
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                            Doom (207.239.12.200) -- 5/30/2003 at 10:21 a.m.
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                                Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 5/30/2003 at 4:02 p.m.
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                                  Gothmog (ool-43562621.dyn.optonline.net) -- 6/1/2003 at 9:55 p.m.
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                                    Olorin (host81-134-21-57.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/2/2003 at 5:19 p.m.
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                            Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 5/30/2003 at 1:20 p.m.
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                              Seraph (adsl-66-126-231-179.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 5/31/2003 at 12:36 a.m.
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                                Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/2/2003 at 4:45 p.m.
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                              Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/5/2003 at 10:03 p.m.
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                                Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 3:46 p.m.
                      • Little Shop of Horrors *PIC*
                        Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/5/2003 at 9:48 p.m.
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                      Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/5/2003 at 9:27 p.m.
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                        Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 1:39 p.m.
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                          Olorin (host81-134-4-127.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 4:36 p.m.
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                            Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 6:23 p.m.
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                              Olorin (host81-134-4-127.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 8:15 p.m.
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                    Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/5/2003 at 9:14 p.m.
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              Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/5/2003 at 8:53 p.m.
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                Olorin (host81-134-4-127.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 8:48 a.m.
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          Superfoborg (term2-20.vta.west.net) -- 5/27/2003 at 12:11 a.m.
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          greygelgoog (172.138.134.67) -- 6/1/2003 at 10:31 a.m.
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            Seraph (adsl-66-120-162-52.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/1/2003 at 4:24 p.m.
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              Olorin (host217-36-199-57.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/1/2003 at 4:47 p.m.
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                greygelgoog (AC83911C.ipt.aol.com) -- 6/3/2003 at 9:51 a.m.
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                  Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/3/2003 at 7:50 p.m.
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                    Doom (207.239.12.200) -- 6/4/2003 at 10:42 a.m.
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                      Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/4/2003 at 2:45 p.m.
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                        Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/6/2003 at 1:08 a.m.
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                          Superfoborg (term1-8.vta.west.net) -- 6/6/2003 at 1:47 a.m.
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                          Olorin (host81-134-4-127.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 8:55 a.m.
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                          Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 2:06 p.m.
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                            Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/6/2003 at 4:11 p.m.
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                              Olorin (host81-134-4-127.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 4:32 p.m.
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                            Olorin (host81-134-4-127.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 4:30 p.m.
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                              Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 6:00 p.m.
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                                Olorin (host81-134-4-127.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 8:13 p.m.
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                                  Phil (12-225-9-44.client.attbi.com) -- 6/7/2003 at 3:04 a.m.
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                      Olorin (host81-134-12-171.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/4/2003 at 3:24 p.m.
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                        Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/4/2003 at 5:50 p.m.
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                          Olorin (host81-134-12-171.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/4/2003 at 8:26 p.m.
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                            Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/5/2003 at 11:54 a.m.
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                              Olorin (host81-134-4-75.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/5/2003 at 4:40 p.m.
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                                Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/5/2003 at 7:46 p.m.
                          • Re: So, we need a topic...Lets try this? *PIC*
                            Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/6/2003 at 1:18 a.m.
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                    greygelgoog (AC8B159B.ipt.aol.com) -- 6/4/2003 at 2:40 p.m.
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                      Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/4/2003 at 5:08 p.m.
                  • Well said, sir (NT) *NM* *PIC*
                    Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/6/2003 at 12:53 a.m.
                    • Thanks *NM*
                      Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 3:48 p.m.
                • Re: So, we need a topic...Lets try this? *PIC*
                  Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/6/2003 at 12:23 a.m.
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                    Olorin (host81-134-4-127.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 9:23 a.m.
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                    Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 3:20 p.m.
              • Re: So, we need a topic...Lets try this? *PIC*
                Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/5/2003 at 11:05 p.m.
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                  Olorin (host81-134-4-127.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 9:28 a.m.
            • Re: So, we need a topic...Lets try this? *PIC*
              Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/5/2003 at 10:58 p.m.
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                Olorin (host81-134-4-127.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 9:30 a.m.
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                  Seraph (adsl-66-126-230-224.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/6/2003 at 8:52 p.m.
                  • Re: So, we need a topic...Lets try this? *PIC*
                    Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/8/2003 at 7:39 p.m.
                    • Yes, I totally botched whatever my point was.
                      Seraph (adsl-66-123-168-192.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/8/2003 at 11:10 p.m.
                    • Re: So, we need a topic...Lets try this?
                      Olorin (host81-134-17-71.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/9/2003 at 7:05 a.m.
                      • Salvaging some sense out of this mess.
                        Seraph (adsl-66-126-229-12.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/9/2003 at 5:11 p.m.
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                          Olorin (host81-134-0-26.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/9/2003 at 5:34 p.m.
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                            Seraph (adsl-66-126-229-12.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/9/2003 at 6:34 p.m.
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                      Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/9/2003 at 1:55 p.m.
          • Never!!! *PIC*
            Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/5/2003 at 10:51 p.m.
            • Re: Never!!!
              Olorin (host81-134-4-127.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 9:34 a.m.
              • Re: Never!!!
                Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 3:46 p.m.
                • Re: Never!!!
                  Olorin (host81-134-4-127.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 4:15 p.m.
                  • Re: Never!!!
                    Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 6:08 p.m.
        • *Gets here late* *PIC*
          Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/5/2003 at 8:45 p.m.
          • Re: *Gets here late*
            Seraph (adsl-66-126-230-224.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/6/2003 at 9:13 p.m.
            • Heh...
              Drunken Ghol (pcp01700673pcs.kodak01.tn.comcast.net) -- 6/7/2003 at 12:29 a.m.
              • It's Called "So We Need A Topic..." *NT* *NM*
                Olorin (host81-134-113-174.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/7/2003 at 6:29 a.m.
            • Re: *Gets here late* *PIC*
              Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/8/2003 at 9:02 a.m.
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                Seraph (adsl-64-171-5-191.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/8/2003 at 5:13 p.m.
                • Re: *Gets here late* *PIC*
                  Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/8/2003 at 6:46 p.m.
                  • Talking some more...and more...
                    Seraph (adsl-66-123-168-192.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/8/2003 at 10:44 p.m.
                    • Re: Talking some more...and more... *PIC*
                      Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/9/2003 at 4:48 a.m.
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                        Olorin (host81-134-17-71.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/9/2003 at 6:51 a.m.
                        • Re: Talking some more...and more... *PIC*
                          Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/13/2003 at 3:15 a.m.
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                            Seraph (adsl-66-123-170-245.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/14/2003 at 2:01 a.m.
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                            SiliconDream =PN= (host-66-202-12-108.col.choiceone.net) -- 6/15/2003 at 2:56 a.m.
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                              Phil (12-225-9-44.client.attbi.com) -- 6/15/2003 at 5:34 a.m.
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                                SiliconDream =PN= (host-66-202-12-108.col.choiceone.net) -- 6/15/2003 at 7:37 p.m.
                                • Double post, just like old times. :-) [NT] *NM*
                                  SiliconDream =PN= (host-66-202-12-108.col.choiceone.net) -- 6/15/2003 at 7:43 p.m.
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                                SiliconDream =PN= (host-66-202-12-108.col.choiceone.net) -- 6/15/2003 at 7:41 p.m.
                                • *derails the subthread*
                                  Seraph (adsl-64-171-6-162.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/16/2003 at 6:36 p.m.
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                                  Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/16/2003 at 6:42 p.m.
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                              Superfoborg (term1-24.vta.west.net) -- 6/17/2003 at 1:54 a.m.
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                                SiliconDream =PN= (host-66-202-12-108.col.choiceone.net) -- 6/17/2003 at 11:28 p.m.
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                                  Superfoborg (205.254.241.89) -- 6/18/2003 at 12:09 a.m.
                                • Heya Sili
                                  Iron Duke (zepher.lnk.telstra.net) -- 6/18/2003 at 6:20 p.m.
                                  • Re: Heya Sili
                                    SiliconDream =PN= (host-66-202-12-108.col.choiceone.net) -- 6/18/2003 at 10:10 p.m.
                                    • oh sure, ignore me! :( *NM*
                                      Miguel Chavez (24-90-239-158.nyc.rr.com) -- 6/19/2003 at 9:14 a.m.
                                      • Calls taken in the order they were received. :-)
                                        SiliconDream =PN= (66.202.12.108) -- 6/19/2003 at 2:17 p.m.
                                      • Calls taken in the order they were received. :-)
                                        SiliconDream =PN= (66.202.12.108) -- 6/19/2003 at 2:49 p.m.
                                        • Hmm...
                                          Miguel Chavez (24-90-239-158.nyc.rr.com) -- 6/26/2003 at 9:26 a.m.
                                          • Re: Hmm...
                                            SiliconDream =PN= (host-66-202-12-108.col.choiceone.net) -- 6/27/2003 at 7:29 a.m.
                            • SILLLLLLI!
                              Miguel Chavez (24-90-239-158.nyc.rr.com) -- 6/18/2003 at 7:17 p.m.
                      • Re: Talking some more...and more...
                        Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/9/2003 at 6:11 p.m.
                        • *is in total agreement.*
                          Seraph (adsl-66-126-229-12.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/9/2003 at 6:51 p.m.
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                            Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/9/2003 at 7:57 p.m.
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                              Seraph (adsl-66-126-229-12.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/9/2003 at 8:50 p.m.
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                                Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/10/2003 at 2:32 p.m.
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                              Superfoborg (term1-29.vta.west.net) -- 6/10/2003 at 2:16 a.m.
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                                Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/10/2003 at 2:32 p.m.
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                                  Superfoborg (ip68-6-118-241.sb.sd.cox.net) -- 6/10/2003 at 5:02 p.m.
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                                    Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/10/2003 at 7:30 p.m.
                      • Re: Talking some more...and more...
                        Ilex (6fe9.yhteys.mtv3.fi) -- 6/15/2003 at 7:39 a.m.
                  • Re: *Gets here late*
                    Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/9/2003 at 3:56 p.m.
                    • Bush and his politics
                      Seraph (adsl-66-126-229-12.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/9/2003 at 5:24 p.m.
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                        Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/9/2003 at 6:30 p.m.
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                          Seraph (adsl-66-126-229-12.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/9/2003 at 6:44 p.m.
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                            Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/9/2003 at 7:40 p.m.
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                              Seraph (adsl-66-126-229-12.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/9/2003 at 8:43 p.m.
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                                Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/10/2003 at 2:32 p.m.
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                                  Superfoborg (term2-23.vta.west.net) -- 6/11/2003 at 1:06 a.m.
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                                    Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/11/2003 at 7:56 p.m.
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                                      Superfoborg (term1-16.vta.west.net) -- 6/12/2003 at 12:51 a.m.
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                                        Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/12/2003 at 5:22 p.m.
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                                          Superfoborg (term1-12.vta.west.net) -- 6/13/2003 at 12:53 a.m.
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                                            Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/13/2003 at 6:50 p.m.
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                                              Superfoborg (ip68-6-118-241.sb.sd.cox.net) -- 6/13/2003 at 8:59 p.m.
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                                                Phil (12-225-9-44.client.attbi.com) -- 6/14/2003 at 4:47 a.m.
                                                • Re: Bush and his politics
                                                  Superfoborg (term1-24.vta.west.net) -- 6/17/2003 at 1:50 a.m.
                                                  • Re: Bush and his politics
                                                    Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/17/2003 at 12:37 p.m.
                              • Re: Bush and his politics
                                Martel (lns-p19-9-213-228-44-169.adsl.proxad.net) -- 6/14/2003 at 9:32 a.m.
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