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Re: So, we need a topic...Lets try this?

Posted By: greygelgoog (AC83911C.ipt.aol.com)
Date: 6/3/2003 at 9:51 a.m.

In Response To: Re: So, we need a topic...Lets try this? (Olorin)

: If a country can remove a tyrant IN A GOOD WAY (ie: not
: the way Bush+Blair did), then it is morally OBLIGED to
: do so.

: Who gives a flying fork if the tyrant doesn't threaten
: your own country? You think that because your own
: country is sitting comfortably it gives you the right
: to let a dictator who makes their citizens lives
: misery or worse-than-death get away with everything,
: or even help it?

Taking into account the very nature of a tyrant or dictator, there is not "good" way to remove them. They will not listen to UN resolutions, they will not take suggestions, and even military persuasion has barely moved them. The only way to remove a tyrant is the bad way, bombing the living crap out of him and all the people we are trying to liberate.

As far as threats against our country, the UN doesn't look kindly on ousting a leader because we don't like his policies. I'm just dubious since there are so many dictators in oil-poor countries that we never touch, but many threats in oil-rich countries that only conquest and occupation can solve.

In my mind, if the people of Iraq really wanted Saddam out, those 500 different resistance factions should have put there bickering aside, organized a revolution, and kicked him out. The earlier refusals of these factions to cooperate suggests to me that if one group had succeeded, they would simply have replaced one dictator with another. The approach used in Afghanistan wouldn't work because in Afghanistan the different factions had allied themselves into a single political force. The Iraqi factions are still bickering over who runs the country.

When we find those macguffins of mass destruction, I will argue that we had some legal pre-text for a regime change. I still won't agree with it, though. America has a bad habit of fixing one problem by creating another one later. We tried to fix the Nazi problem by letting them annex half of Europe. We tried to fix the Vietnam problem by putting dictators in power to crush communist sentiments. In Iraq, the Kurds will likely take power. As soon as we leave, the ethnic cleansing will begin, but we'll turn our backs as long as the oil keeps flowing. 20 years down the road some hard-liner will take a stance against 'western imperialism' and stop being so generous with the oil. The CIA will find evidence of weapons of mass hysteria and we're back in the same place we left off. I'm not anit-war, I just think we need better reasons for our wars. If the people of Iraq had gotten their priorities straight and risen against Saddam, I would have supported American "military assistance." We shouldn't jump start the revolution with troop landings in Basra.

"...and there right hands were raised in menace against mankind." sieg zeon

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