Re: So, we need a topic...Lets try this?

Posted By: greygelgoog (172.138.134.67)
Date: 6/1/2003 at 10:31 a.m.

In Response To: So, we need a topic...Lets try this? (Seraph)

One thing to consider is not so much whether a nation has the right to, but whether or not it should. I'm afraid I'll come across as a fascist for saying this, but here goes:

"Rights" are defined by authority. You have human and civil rights because those in authority choose to recognize them. Authority is derived from force, the ability to control you through coercion or whatever. Simply put, might (God help us) makes right. One nation can have the right to invade another simply because no higher authority takes action to stop it.

As to whether or not a nation should invade another, I can't speak to that and be abstract at the same time. I feel very strongly on the topic and don't care who I may offend. I don't think I need to discuss this issue here anyway, the whole "definition of evil" part of this thread seems to be doing a better job than I could.

"...and their right hands were raised in menace against mankind." sieg zeon

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  Gothmog (ool-43562621.dyn.optonline.net) -- 5/22/2003 at 9:06 p.m.
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    Superfoborg (term1-6.vta.west.net) -- 5/23/2003 at 1:55 a.m.
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      Gothmog (ool-43562621.dyn.optonline.net) -- 5/23/2003 at 4:14 p.m.
      • So, we need a topic...Lets try this?
        Seraph (adsl-66-120-160-84.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 5/24/2003 at 3:15 a.m.
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          Martel (ppp-189-166.28-151.libero.it) -- 5/24/2003 at 5:09 a.m.
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            Gothmog (ool-43562621.dyn.optonline.net) -- 5/24/2003 at 5:54 p.m.
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              Seraph (adsl-66-120-163-45.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 5/24/2003 at 7:15 p.m.
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                Martel (195.110.114.232) -- 5/26/2003 at 12:03 p.m.
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                  Seraph (adsl-66-120-160-206.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 5/26/2003 at 2:32 p.m.
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                    Martel (195.110.114.232) -- 5/27/2003 at 4:22 a.m.
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                Superfoborg (term2-20.vta.west.net) -- 5/27/2003 at 12:24 a.m.
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                  Seraph (adsl-66-123-200-150.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) -- 5/27/2003 at 9:18 p.m.
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                    Superfoborg (term2-2.vta.west.net) -- 5/28/2003 at 12:00 a.m.
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                    Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 5/28/2003 at 1:43 p.m.
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                      Seraph (adsl-64-171-4-240.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 5/28/2003 at 9:35 p.m.
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                        Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 5/29/2003 at 1:02 p.m.
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                          Seraph (adsl-67-122-221-42.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) -- 5/30/2003 at 1:10 a.m.
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                            Doom (207.239.12.200) -- 5/30/2003 at 10:21 a.m.
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                              Gothmog (ool-43562621.dyn.optonline.net) -- 5/30/2003 at 3:47 p.m.
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                                Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 5/30/2003 at 4:02 p.m.
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                                  Gothmog (ool-43562621.dyn.optonline.net) -- 6/1/2003 at 9:55 p.m.
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                                    Olorin (host81-134-21-57.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/2/2003 at 5:19 p.m.
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                            Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 5/30/2003 at 1:20 p.m.
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                              Seraph (adsl-66-126-231-179.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 5/31/2003 at 12:36 a.m.
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                                Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/2/2003 at 4:45 p.m.
                            • Re: So, we need a topic...Lets try this? *PIC*
                              Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/5/2003 at 10:03 p.m.
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                                Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 3:46 p.m.
                      • Little Shop of Horrors *PIC*
                        Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/5/2003 at 9:48 p.m.
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                      Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/5/2003 at 9:27 p.m.
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                        Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 1:39 p.m.
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                          Olorin (host81-134-4-127.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 4:36 p.m.
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                            Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 6:23 p.m.
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                              Olorin (host81-134-4-127.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 8:15 p.m.
                  • Re: So, we need a topic...Lets try this? *PIC*
                    Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/5/2003 at 9:14 p.m.
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              Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/5/2003 at 8:53 p.m.
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                Olorin (host81-134-4-127.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 8:48 a.m.
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          Superfoborg (term2-20.vta.west.net) -- 5/27/2003 at 12:11 a.m.
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          greygelgoog (172.138.134.67) -- 6/1/2003 at 10:31 a.m.
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            Seraph (adsl-66-120-162-52.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/1/2003 at 4:24 p.m.
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              Olorin (host217-36-199-57.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/1/2003 at 4:47 p.m.
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                greygelgoog (AC83911C.ipt.aol.com) -- 6/3/2003 at 9:51 a.m.
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                  Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/3/2003 at 7:50 p.m.
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                    Doom (207.239.12.200) -- 6/4/2003 at 10:42 a.m.
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                      Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/4/2003 at 2:45 p.m.
                      • Re: So, we need a topic...Lets try this? *PIC*
                        Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/6/2003 at 1:08 a.m.
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                          Superfoborg (term1-8.vta.west.net) -- 6/6/2003 at 1:47 a.m.
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                          Olorin (host81-134-4-127.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 8:55 a.m.
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                          Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 2:06 p.m.
                          • Re: So, we need a topic...Lets try this? *PIC*
                            Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/6/2003 at 4:11 p.m.
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                              Olorin (host81-134-4-127.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 4:32 p.m.
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                            Olorin (host81-134-4-127.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 4:30 p.m.
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                              Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 6:00 p.m.
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                                Olorin (host81-134-4-127.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 8:13 p.m.
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                                  Phil (12-225-9-44.client.attbi.com) -- 6/7/2003 at 3:04 a.m.
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                      Olorin (host81-134-12-171.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/4/2003 at 3:24 p.m.
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                        Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/4/2003 at 5:50 p.m.
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                          Olorin (host81-134-12-171.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/4/2003 at 8:26 p.m.
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                            Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/5/2003 at 11:54 a.m.
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                              Olorin (host81-134-4-75.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/5/2003 at 4:40 p.m.
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                                Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/5/2003 at 7:46 p.m.
                          • Re: So, we need a topic...Lets try this? *PIC*
                            Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/6/2003 at 1:18 a.m.
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                    greygelgoog (AC8B159B.ipt.aol.com) -- 6/4/2003 at 2:40 p.m.
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                      Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/4/2003 at 5:08 p.m.
                  • Well said, sir (NT) *NM* *PIC*
                    Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/6/2003 at 12:53 a.m.
                    • Thanks *NM*
                      Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 3:48 p.m.
                • Re: So, we need a topic...Lets try this? *PIC*
                  Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/6/2003 at 12:23 a.m.
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                    Olorin (host81-134-4-127.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 9:23 a.m.
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                    Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 3:20 p.m.
              • Re: So, we need a topic...Lets try this? *PIC*
                Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/5/2003 at 11:05 p.m.
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                  Olorin (host81-134-4-127.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 9:28 a.m.
            • Re: So, we need a topic...Lets try this? *PIC*
              Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/5/2003 at 10:58 p.m.
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                Olorin (host81-134-4-127.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 9:30 a.m.
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                  Seraph (adsl-66-126-230-224.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/6/2003 at 8:52 p.m.
                  • Re: So, we need a topic...Lets try this? *PIC*
                    Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/8/2003 at 7:39 p.m.
                    • Yes, I totally botched whatever my point was.
                      Seraph (adsl-66-123-168-192.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/8/2003 at 11:10 p.m.
                    • Re: So, we need a topic...Lets try this?
                      Olorin (host81-134-17-71.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/9/2003 at 7:05 a.m.
                      • Salvaging some sense out of this mess.
                        Seraph (adsl-66-126-229-12.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/9/2003 at 5:11 p.m.
                        • Re: Salvaging some sense out of this mess.
                          Olorin (host81-134-0-26.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/9/2003 at 5:34 p.m.
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                            Seraph (adsl-66-126-229-12.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/9/2003 at 6:34 p.m.
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                      Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/9/2003 at 1:55 p.m.
          • Never!!! *PIC*
            Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/5/2003 at 10:51 p.m.
            • Re: Never!!!
              Olorin (host81-134-4-127.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 9:34 a.m.
              • Re: Never!!!
                Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 3:46 p.m.
                • Re: Never!!!
                  Olorin (host81-134-4-127.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 4:15 p.m.
                  • Re: Never!!!
                    Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/6/2003 at 6:08 p.m.
        • *Gets here late* *PIC*
          Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/5/2003 at 8:45 p.m.
          • Re: *Gets here late*
            Seraph (adsl-66-126-230-224.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/6/2003 at 9:13 p.m.
            • Heh...
              Drunken Ghol (pcp01700673pcs.kodak01.tn.comcast.net) -- 6/7/2003 at 12:29 a.m.
              • It's Called "So We Need A Topic..." *NT* *NM*
                Olorin (host81-134-113-174.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/7/2003 at 6:29 a.m.
            • Re: *Gets here late* *PIC*
              Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/8/2003 at 9:02 a.m.
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                Seraph (adsl-64-171-5-191.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/8/2003 at 5:13 p.m.
                • Re: *Gets here late* *PIC*
                  Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/8/2003 at 6:46 p.m.
                  • Talking some more...and more...
                    Seraph (adsl-66-123-168-192.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/8/2003 at 10:44 p.m.
                    • Re: Talking some more...and more... *PIC*
                      Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/9/2003 at 4:48 a.m.
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                        Olorin (host81-134-17-71.in-addr.btopenworld.com) -- 6/9/2003 at 6:51 a.m.
                        • Re: Talking some more...and more... *PIC*
                          Archer »–)› (AST002-2.msns.sm.ptd.net) -- 6/13/2003 at 3:15 a.m.
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                            Seraph (adsl-66-123-170-245.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/14/2003 at 2:01 a.m.
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                            SiliconDream =PN= (host-66-202-12-108.col.choiceone.net) -- 6/15/2003 at 2:56 a.m.
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                              Phil (12-225-9-44.client.attbi.com) -- 6/15/2003 at 5:34 a.m.
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                                SiliconDream =PN= (host-66-202-12-108.col.choiceone.net) -- 6/15/2003 at 7:37 p.m.
                                • Double post, just like old times. :-) [NT] *NM*
                                  SiliconDream =PN= (host-66-202-12-108.col.choiceone.net) -- 6/15/2003 at 7:43 p.m.
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                                SiliconDream =PN= (host-66-202-12-108.col.choiceone.net) -- 6/15/2003 at 7:41 p.m.
                                • *derails the subthread*
                                  Seraph (adsl-64-171-6-162.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/16/2003 at 6:36 p.m.
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                                  Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/16/2003 at 6:42 p.m.
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                              Superfoborg (term1-24.vta.west.net) -- 6/17/2003 at 1:54 a.m.
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                                SiliconDream =PN= (host-66-202-12-108.col.choiceone.net) -- 6/17/2003 at 11:28 p.m.
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                                  Superfoborg (205.254.241.89) -- 6/18/2003 at 12:09 a.m.
                                • Heya Sili
                                  Iron Duke (zepher.lnk.telstra.net) -- 6/18/2003 at 6:20 p.m.
                                  • Re: Heya Sili
                                    SiliconDream =PN= (host-66-202-12-108.col.choiceone.net) -- 6/18/2003 at 10:10 p.m.
                                    • oh sure, ignore me! :( *NM*
                                      Miguel Chavez (24-90-239-158.nyc.rr.com) -- 6/19/2003 at 9:14 a.m.
                                      • Calls taken in the order they were received. :-)
                                        SiliconDream =PN= (66.202.12.108) -- 6/19/2003 at 2:17 p.m.
                                      • Calls taken in the order they were received. :-)
                                        SiliconDream =PN= (66.202.12.108) -- 6/19/2003 at 2:49 p.m.
                                        • Hmm...
                                          Miguel Chavez (24-90-239-158.nyc.rr.com) -- 6/26/2003 at 9:26 a.m.
                                          • Re: Hmm...
                                            SiliconDream =PN= (host-66-202-12-108.col.choiceone.net) -- 6/27/2003 at 7:29 a.m.
                            • SILLLLLLI!
                              Miguel Chavez (24-90-239-158.nyc.rr.com) -- 6/18/2003 at 7:17 p.m.
                      • Re: Talking some more...and more...
                        Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/9/2003 at 6:11 p.m.
                        • *is in total agreement.*
                          Seraph (adsl-66-126-229-12.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/9/2003 at 6:51 p.m.
                          • Re: *is in total agreement.*
                            Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/9/2003 at 7:57 p.m.
                            • Re: *is in total agreement.*
                              Seraph (adsl-66-126-229-12.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/9/2003 at 8:50 p.m.
                              • Re: *is in total agreement.*
                                Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/10/2003 at 2:32 p.m.
                            • Re: *is in total agreement.*
                              Superfoborg (term1-29.vta.west.net) -- 6/10/2003 at 2:16 a.m.
                              • Re: *is in total agreement.*
                                Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/10/2003 at 2:32 p.m.
                                • Re: *is in total agreement.*
                                  Superfoborg (ip68-6-118-241.sb.sd.cox.net) -- 6/10/2003 at 5:02 p.m.
                                  • Re: *is in total agreement.*
                                    Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/10/2003 at 7:30 p.m.
                      • Re: Talking some more...and more...
                        Ilex (6fe9.yhteys.mtv3.fi) -- 6/15/2003 at 7:39 a.m.
                  • Re: *Gets here late*
                    Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/9/2003 at 3:56 p.m.
                    • Bush and his politics
                      Seraph (adsl-66-126-229-12.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/9/2003 at 5:24 p.m.
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                        Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/9/2003 at 6:30 p.m.
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                          Seraph (adsl-66-126-229-12.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/9/2003 at 6:44 p.m.
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                            Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/9/2003 at 7:40 p.m.
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                              Seraph (adsl-66-126-229-12.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) -- 6/9/2003 at 8:43 p.m.
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                                Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/10/2003 at 2:32 p.m.
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                                  Superfoborg (term2-23.vta.west.net) -- 6/11/2003 at 1:06 a.m.
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                                    Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/11/2003 at 7:56 p.m.
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                                      Superfoborg (term1-16.vta.west.net) -- 6/12/2003 at 12:51 a.m.
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                                        Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/12/2003 at 5:22 p.m.
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                                          Superfoborg (term1-12.vta.west.net) -- 6/13/2003 at 12:53 a.m.
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                                            Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/13/2003 at 6:50 p.m.
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                                              Superfoborg (ip68-6-118-241.sb.sd.cox.net) -- 6/13/2003 at 8:59 p.m.
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                                                Phil (12-225-9-44.client.attbi.com) -- 6/14/2003 at 4:47 a.m.
                                                • Re: Bush and his politics
                                                  Superfoborg (term1-24.vta.west.net) -- 6/17/2003 at 1:50 a.m.
                                                  • Re: Bush and his politics
                                                    Phil (static-64-65-138-250.mspcovdsl.eschelon.com) -- 6/17/2003 at 12:37 p.m.
                              • Re: Bush and his politics
                                Martel (lns-p19-9-213-228-44-169.adsl.proxad.net) -- 6/14/2003 at 9:32 a.m.
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