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Re: Bahl'al, The Watcher, Unlife, etc
Posted By: Ghôlsbane (pm3p245.iohk.com)
Date: 4/16/2003 at 5:15 a.m.
In Response To: Re: Bahl'al, The Watcher, Unlife, etc (Loki)
: Mine, however, is supported by
: 1. the idea that no one else is ever directly or
: indirectly named as being able to raise Thrall
The ghast flavour text proves that wrong.
: 2. the fact that there are Thrall in M2
Which could easily have been created by Soulblighter
: 3. the fact that the Watcher, supposedly Bahl'al, the
: manufacturer of Thrall, was stoned and shattered in
: TFL
As above. And indeed your Jason Jones quote sugests that stoning and shattering wouldn't be enough to stop a Fallen Lord returning.
: 4. The fact that Bahl'al and the Watcher are both evil
: and both named, making them, in the habits of the Myth
: authors, separate individuals. (If they were the same
: person, and the seige of Tyr was the same as the one
: twelve years before TFL, there's no reason to say that
: Bahl'al's army was marching towards Tyr and that the
: Watcher had it out with the Deciever- it makes no
: sense to name him twice in one single event.)
This is not necessarily true.
One point you haven't picked up on is that knwoing The Watcher's true name is said to be the most powerful tool against him. Since we know the name Bah'lal, it could be argued that these two are not the same. Nonetheless, we cannot be certain that the Legion too knew the name Bah'lal during TFL since it is only mentioned in flavour texts.
: With the carbonizing (carbonation?) of Myth 2 and the
: update of Myth 3, all hope is not lost, because the
: games now belong more to the community organization at
: large than any one corporation. (editorial: it's very
: rare when the circumstances emerge to allow something
: of this magnitude to be free to the community that
: loves it.)
It should be noted that the Myth license still belongs to Take Two and only a select few from the community have access to the Myth 2 and 3 source files. Still, a great achievement that these few are able to further the series for what I hope to be the good of the community at large.
: As to the value of this, well, the ones that gauge it
: worthy (guess who is one of them) certainly will try.
: To you, it might not be, and I honestly cannot blame
: you- in this day and age, things are often more
: important than things like stories and games. I
: suppose if I had less free time, I would feel the
: exact same way, too.
I feel many of us still appreciate the value of this rich story as I hope has been evidenced by this very debate. Stories are what our civilisations are based on through imaginations, aspirations and history. I'm just glad that places such as this exist for us to channel and share these feelings.
Myth@Bungie.Org
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