: Again, incorrect- Balor has nothing to do with Thrall
: except the fact that his armies are composed of them.
: Balor can grant nothing because he isn't even an Avatara,
: firstly. Second, again, Thrall were around and abound
: long before even Connacht was, likely before the
: beginning of the Wind Age, maybe even before that,
: back in Reason or even Axe, which would point to why
: Thrall are armed in the manner they are.
You're not reading my words. I'm saying the Leveler, not Balor, has the secret of raising the dead. He has done ever since the dawn of time. As the bringer of darkness, his tools are the undead. How else would he be able to form an army without being able to create them?
: Furthermore, there is nothing in evidence to indicate
: that powers can be taught or learned, nor that the
: Leveler himself does anything remotely like that. All
: Balor did that was even close to that was tell
: Soulblighter a secret, something that I have done
: myself on several occasions.
Having learned Balor's greatest secret, the reanimation of the dead, Soulblighter passed on this knowledge to his evil human associates so they could build him an army.
From that same Ghast quote.
The humans are building Soulblighter's army. This includes thrall so obviously Soulblighter and his minions, such as the Baron, could raise thrall.
: Again, he went to Si'anwon, the sunken Trow city, to seek
: the Dream of Unlife, becoming the father of the
: thrall. No one gave it to him.
Perhaps under a previous Leveler's direction. We see the Fallen Lords on quests to retrieve artifacts (the Tain, the Total Codex) several times during TFL while they are still serving Balor. Is it not plausible that Bah'lal was retrieving the dream of unlife for his master, the current Leveler?
: The leveler is no deity- that title belongs to Nyx and
: Wyrd. All the leveler does is perpetuate chaos and
: destruction; there is nothing to indicate that he
: teaches or causes power in others, or is in any way
: omnipresent or omnipotent, just a leader of chaos and
: death. The concentrated, fermented soul of a plague,
: if you will.
So explain me this:
Although the hero of every age of light is different, every dark age is ushered in by the same beast - a transient divinity that seeks only conflict - The Leveler. And so Tireces returned as Moagim to end the Age of Reason - and Connacht, the great hero of the Wind Age, returned as Balor to lay waste to the greatest empire the world had ever known.
The Leveler was never killed. He was immobilized by sorcery, beheaded and burned at the stake in the Second Era. A thousand years later he was drawn and quartered on the plains before Ileum, the tireless horses dragging the pieces of his lifeless body to the four corners of the world. Again in the Fourth Era his body was destroyed by fire, his ashes mixed with salt and buried under the Mountains of Kor. Balor, Moagim and all those before them wore the Mantle of The Leveler.
-Myth II Epilogue
"A transient divinity"
"was never killed"
Imortality and divinity. These terms explicitly state the Leveler is a god.
: I would LOVE to see some facts in evidence to support
: this claim.
The Ghast description which you seem intent on ignoring.
: Firstly, you CAN smelt iron weapons into other forms.
: You'd have to be pretty deranged to think that thrall
: are using remaindered Trow weapons.
Underwater?
: Phelot invaded Avon's grove, as the text says, and chose
: which would die and which would have unlife. I
: mentioned it as a preemptive counterpoint to anyone
: raising the idea of Avon's Grove and Phelot raising
: thrall on his own.
Why would Avon's Grove be such a notable event though that it warrants two mentions (the Shade flavour and Crow's Bridge cutscene). I'd say because it was a particularly bloody event with an entire town being slaughtered. Why would Phelot choose Avon's Grove if, by your speculation, he would have to get the bodies carted to the Gjol to even allow the chance of them being ressurected as thrall.
: Please, do your research BEFORE you start an argument.
Oh I have, you just seem to be unwilling to look at it.
: Bahl'al only has to be the foreman and produce the naked
: thrall themselves. Stygans and other such things could
: very well man the forges to produce the weapons and
: armor. If we take the TFL beta texts into evidence, we
: have flaming soulless, which could very well be a
: source of combustionless flame (to operate inside an
: oxygen-poor environment).
Hmm, using pre-release texts as evidence? I thought you said that was unreliable.
: Like I said, though- just a thought.
: What, myth isnt? All the great theories start out with
: someone saying exactly that, all the way back when the
: scientific method was invented, from the theory of
: planetary motion to the theory of natural selection to
: the aquatic ape human origin hypothesis.
Yes but you should at least separate speculation from a debate based purely on given facts.
: Seems to me that my story there would make a great
: campaign plugin nonetheless. =)
Ah, so that's why you're refusing to accept perfectly valid counter arguments. You don't want your baby project to be invalidated. I get it.
