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Re: Bahl'al, The Watcher, Unlife, etc

Posted By: Loki (ccraqblftn.islc.net)
Date: 4/16/2003 at 4:28 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Bahl'al, The Watcher, Unlife, etc (Ghôlsbane)

: Having learned Balor's greatest secret, the reanimation
: of the dead, Soulblighter passed on this knowledge to
: his evil human associates so they could build him an
: army. These Undead are the corpses of villagers and
: other commoners, and are the first stage in what will
: eventually become a Wight.

: They are nimble compared to most undead units, and while
: their blows do little damage, their foul stench and
: clammy touch can stun the living.
: -Ghast Description, Cast of Characters, Myth II Manual

: I believe this counters the argument that Bah'lal alone
: could raise thrall.

Excellent quote, however, you really are comparing apples and oranges here, like thrall and soulless.

It is now established that Soulblighter himself can and has raised ghasts, soulless and wights, but, when it comes down to it, each of the three (thrall, ghast, soulless), are related to one another in only one manner: the fact that they are undead.

They're different in the same respect gear wheels are different from grommets and bearings. They're all round, but they all serve different purposes. Just because you can make one type of weapon doesn't necessarily mean that you can then make all variety of weapons within the same branch.

Also, someone is still arming and equipping Thrall with the same materials they've always had. Ghasts and wights need only death fever, soulless poison and throwing spears.

: While I believe Children of Bahl'al to be a correct
: epithet of the thrall, I don't feel it's enough to
: suggest that Bah'lal alone had the power to create
: them though he was probably the first to do so.

The problem is that it must be directly or even indirectly suggested (as opposed to implied by circumstantial evidence) that individuals other than Bahl'al can raise thrall, not the other way around.

Trying to prove that no one else had the dream of unlife is impossible- literally trying to prove a negative, which cannot be done.

In order to cast some doubt on my independence hypothesis, it must be proven that others definitely had the capacity to raise thrall, and so far, I do not believe that that can be done.

Even if it were, the fact would still remain that the only real evidence (Eidos' site isn't and cannot be considered an official text) that Bahl'al and the Watcher were one in the same are the texts about Tyr, which would make no sense at all, because they would have to be contemporary, and therefore the writers are using two names for one individual at the very same time, something that's done for no one else, and just doesn't fit the style of the writing as we've seen it.

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