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Re: Fallen Lords, Avatara, Lieutenants...
Posted By: SiliconDream (mates.hip.berkeley.edu)
Date: 12/17/1999 at 7:28 a.m.
In Response To: Re: Fallen Lords, Avatara, Lieutenants... (The Crimson King)
: Blah. The fetch-idea was just my way of showing what
: would be more reasonable than saying she was a
: Myrmidon.
But it's not more reasonable. I take your point that there are a thousand alternative theories besides the Myrmidon one, but that's a general characteristic of theories put forth on the Asylum.
: Well, for one thing, there are horses shown in the first
: pregame picture from "Into the breach" and
: "cattle" is spoken of in the journal entry
: before "Through the Ermine".
Oh, and we know sheep exist, since a zerk says "Ghol may taste like haggis." :)
: But besides that, that there would be females of living
: kinds of creatures or that there should be other
: mammals than the ones we see or hear of is something
: we can most likely assume without any hesitation.
: There might be some border line cases in the gender
: issue, but that's not interesting anyhew. Most of
: these things are taken from real life features and
: aren't something that would be good examples.
: The Myrmidon, however, are DEAD. Stone dead. They just
: happened to be resurrected by Balor to go fight the
: forces of The Nine. Since there is no sign of any
: female warriors in the wortld of Myth (fetch don't
: count since they use magic as a weapon and are from an
: entirely different world as well). It MIGHT be that
: Shiver was a Myrmidon in their living form, but then
: why did she get the name Ravanna to begin with?
They're not dead. (I'm surprised you haven't been swarmed by a torch-wielding mob already, as I was when I only mentioned that they were *physically* undead.) Balor granted a tribe of berserks immortality while they were still alive; it's just an unpleasant form of immortality wherein they wither away like mummies but don't actually die. It's hardly farfetched that some of the girls of the tribe would be willing to work for Balor too, and that he would be willing to let them, especially if they already had some magical skillz. And Myrms' current names are simply depersonalized contractions of their original berserk names. As such, Shiver would have had an actual zerk name like, I dunno, "Ravanna splitter of bones" back when she was human, then contracted it to "Bonesplitter" once she became a Myrm.
: If Shiver, Ravanna, was supposed to be the Fallen Lord
: (Lady?) previously known as Bonesplitter, this
: Bonesplitter must never have been a Myrmidon.
To be honest, I'm not even sure all the myrms we see ingame are guys. Exactly how do you distinguish between 300-year-old dried-up guys and girls in loincloths? Methinks most of the fat deposits that make a girl obviously a girl would be gone by now, and I certainly can't see the onscreen myrms well enough to measure the width of their hips. :)
: When we discuss things produced mostly by the imagination
: of the story writers, we can assume a whole lot more
: than when we deal with things inspired by actual
: biology.
But when the myrms were human, the laws of biology applied to them as it did to everyone else.
: I merely contested that Shiver is definetly not a
: Myrmidon.
And some of us responded to your claim. I have absolutely no problem with you presenting alternate theories, but it's a little silly for you to get angry with the endless debate over unprovable claims when you've been almost single-handedly sustaining one side of that debate. (I don't mean to imply that no one else agrees with you--I know plenty of people do--just that you're doing most of the talking.) If you're sick of the discussion, all you have to do is withdraw. I won't talk about Shiver if you won't.
--SiliconDream
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