: Y'know, as of late, a lot of people have been talking
: about a lot of deaths I never heard about... How do
: we know that all these people (Connacht, before
: conversion to Balor, the Fallen Lords, etc.) have
: died? Hm? It seems that many of our members here are
: starting to believe that it's a piece of cake to just
: resurrect somebody fully (well, perhaps not in terms
: of their flesh and blood, but their spirits and
: everything else)... when it seems pretty obvious to me
: that it's just the opposite
No one's suggesting it's easy, just that it's possible if you are have the power. Soulbighter has to wait in the Untamed Lands until his power has risen to what it was when Balor was alive. I believe that Balor's death lead to his weakening, which is why he was so easy to get rid of at the Great Devoid.
: If you think about it, in the TFL and SB, does it say
: anywhere that Damas actually ever dies? (besides that
: last part in SB, of course, when Alric kills him...)
: Certainly, he's known as Twice-Born, but that, I
: believe, has been agreed upon as a more figurative
: representation, of either his "rebirth" as
: soulblighter, or because of whatever dark and obscene
: rituals he uses to extend his life... what more, what
: need would he have to extend his life, if he could be
: brought back again so easily?
The problem with this is that there's no evidence either way. We don't know that he died between his Damas and Soulblighter stages, but at the same time, we don't know that he didn't.
: And Connacht - there's
: absolutely no evidence at all that he dies before
: becoming Balor, and though "Balor has been killed
: before," or something like that, if one of the
: pieces of advice in TFL is not to listen to what
: Balor's head tells you, that sort of suggests that
: Balor was actually alive during his assorted
: "deaths;" what can kill a normal person does
: not necessarily kill an "archmage," as
: Seraph always calls them (point in case: the Head).
I actually believe Balor did die in the early Sword Age as this fits in with an idea for the cycle I had and should really revise one of these days. And I also think when you cut off his head, he's dead but you throw his head away so that he can no longer be resurrected.
: There is also no evidence that Ravanna ever dies
: before Shiver's battle with Rabican, and it never say
: actually dies there. We never see a picture of her
: rotting carcass, or read anything even really hinting
: at her death, even then. All we have is that she is
: defeated, and we hear nothing else of her for the rest
: of the game. This does not necessarily mean that she
: is dead, merely that she must be out of commission.
Well, she looks pretty decrepit so she may just be very old but after the dream duel she's a smoking pile of ash. That seems pretty dead to me. Then there's the argument that when you're cast into the aether, you're not actually dead, but I see it that all archmages' souls are cast into the aether and can thus be revived if you have their old bodies, as well as a new host body. This makes the idea of resurrection much more plausible with Balor.
: The Deceiver? Again, I've never even considered that
: he had ever been killed prior to the Great War. He's
: obviously ancient, but we've all seen, I think,
: impossibly old people in the fantasy genre before:
: look at Gandalf, for example. He doesn't exactly seem
: to me like he had ever died, and he's certainly got a
: healthy amount of fear for his own existance (he
: doesn't exactly put any trust in his nemesis, for
: example)
Now Myrdred is one Fallen Lord I believe never died. This is mainly due to his physical form and character. After all, he managed to survive under the Dramus for 60 years.
: yet if he knew he could simply be
: resurrected once more, why would he? And if he could
: simply be resurrected once more, why would the Watcher
: want him dead?
Well, it's not like he would be instantly resurrected. It would take a powerful archmage who wanted him back as well as his body. Bodies can be destroyed and Myrdred probably feared this fact just as the Watcher probably wanted to take advantage of it.
: Finally, I
: have serious doubts about the Watcher's death.
: Bahl'al? Essentially, the original user (at least
: amongst the Children of Wyrd) of the Dream of Unlife?
: If he dies before becoming a Fallen Lord, I don't
: think any one would have been able to resurrect him.
: And also, for a guy who can be restored to his former
: self after death, Alric sure goes to a lot of trouble
: to kill him...
So as an ancient evil, where is he during the Wolf Age? If he's not dead, is he imprisoned? Or just staying out of ther way... And of course Alric would want to kill him. Any enemies he could get rid off, even temporarily, would mean less to worry about during his assault on Balor.
