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Re: Fallen Lords, Avatara, Lieutenants...

Posted By: Dan Rudolph (helser-165-65.res.iastate.edu)
Date: 12/15/1999 at 4:02 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Fallen Lords, Avatara, Lieutenants... (Forrest)

: My thoughts on all this: The Watcher is Bahl'al - that is
: certain. He is dead as a doorknob - the "Where
: did he go?" comment reffered to that shade who
: dissappears (and yes, I have seen that shade teleport
: away and reappear later, though I don't remember the
: circumstances).

: Soulblighter was always corrupt. Thus he is an ancient
: evil. He was around in Connacht's time, and probably
: helped defeat Moagim. He could have even been one of
: Moagim's converted Fallen, who was brought back to the
: light by Connacht, similar to the Deceiver in Myth II.
: Maybe he was wholly good other than that seed of
: corruption, until Connacht disappeared and Damas ran
: off into the Untamed Lands to learn immortality. We
: don't know the details, only that he was evil way back
: when, and he served once Connacht. Soulblighter is
: essentially dead; he's still got a heart lying around
: in the Untamed Lands, and perhaps some crow-spirits,
: but without a body he's as good as dead.

Without a definition of an ancient evil, it's going to be hard to argue this, but Soulblighter was probably barely one thousand years old. (Unless your theory about working for Moagim originally is correct, but there's no evidence for that.) Would this qualify as ancient by Myth standards?

: Shiver was blind to her own decrepidness. It is doubtfull
: that such a spell could last through the all-light
: Wind Age. Thus, she is under 500 years old,
: disqualifying her from "ancient evil" status
: and pinning her as "turned from the Light".
: She's not The Deceiver (... or IS SHE!?!? ), SHE's
: not the Faceless MAN, so she must be Bonesplitter.
: Silicon's supporting evidence is good too. Her body
: was destroyed by Rabican (Rabican and Murgen had
: eachother's names in the betas, but otherwise did the
: same things), her soul was made corporeal by
: Soulblighter 60 years later, and then her soul was
: destroyed by the Deceiver. She is doubly dead.

I've always been a big supporter of the Shiver=Bonesplitter theory, but there are things about it that bug me. For instance, Shiver's primary attack is the whisper dream. This sounds voiceless to me. However, her looks and blind agression support the Bonesplitter theory.

: The Faceless Man is likely Connacht's right-hand-man in
: Tales From Myth. But he's turned from the light,
: right? If he was around in Connacht's time he must be
: an ancient evil, shouldn't he? No. Being turned from
: the light does not preclude ancientness. "Ancient
: evil" means one who is ancient AND was evil long
: ago. "Turned from the Light" simply means
: that they were not evil long ago, but have only
: recently become evil. Soulblighter became evil in the
: Wind Age after Connacht disappeared. The Faceless Man,
: while he is ancient, has only recently become evil. He
: died before the War in the West, fighting Gower or the
: Bruig.

It's always seemed wrong to me that the Faceless Man is not Soulblighter. After all, he's a guy who's missing most of his face. However, that old Eidos page listed them seperately, so I guess they can't be the same guy.

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