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Re: Fallen Lords, Avatara, Lieutenants...
Posted By: Obsidian (port12.baldcom.net)
Date: 12/13/1999 at 1:24 p.m.
In Response To: Fallen Lords, Avatara, Lieutenants... (Pimpyō)
: Well, better get all these groupings sorted out in a
: hurry before the thread below on Balor breaks the
: forum.
: Alright, we know a lot about names and positions of past
: characters. There is only so much we can determine
: about them though, without images, pictures, or a
: descripion of some kind.
: To start, the Fallen Lords debate is going to carry on
: forever. Regardless of how it ends there are a few
: things that we do know about them based upon their
: names... Soulblighter and the Deceiver are obvious.
: The remaining four: The Voiceless One, Bahl'al,
: Bonesplitter & The Faceless Man, all need
: inferences to determine. At the very least we nailed
: The Watcher as Bahl'al, so that just leaves three.
: Going back to the time of Connacht, he had with him many
: trusted lieutenants. Of which Damas (Soulblighter)
: gained much acclaim. The Tales from Myth TFL comic has
: a second lieutenant pictured behind Connacht to his
: right (our left). Now since at this point in the
: story, Connacht is still good , this individual may
: not be a Fallen Lord. But we do know that he was
: indeed a high ranking official to Connacht. That is
: all that can be drawn from his lieutenants at this
: point.
: As for the Avatara, we know that Mazzarin was defeated by
: Bahl'al after he uncovered the Dream of Unlife. Based
: purely on name entomologies, Bahl'al follows the Trow
: city format, but we know that the Watcher was hardly a
: Trow. So perhaps it was an ancient toungue and Bahl'al
: was a very ancient Avatara/Fallen Lord and therefore
: one of the three ancient evils .
: Also from this, the rivalry between The Watcher and The
: Deceiver dates back to before they were both held
: under Balor's army. So we know that the Watcher
: (Bahl'al) has been evil for quite a long time now,
: where as Myrdred (The Deceiver) was converted.
: Now Shiver has some interesting tidits about her. In the
: Tales from Myth TFL comic, it has very little text.
: But in that text the name of Moagim appears. Tireces
: was the last person to wear the mantle of the
: Leveller, and in so doing became Moagim. So if this
: has any relevance at all, Shiver would be
: approximately a milenia in age, making her the second
: of the three ancient evils .
: Now here is where it gets tricky... if Myrdred (The
: Deceiver) and Damas (Soulblighter) were recently
: converted since the Wind Age, about the time Connacht
: became Balor, then it would follow that Bonesplitter
: (clearly a Myrmidon name) would also have been
: converted more recently. That nails down all three of
: the newer evils, leaving The Faceless Man as the last
: of the ancient evils . Since The Head was from the
: time of Connacht, he would not be a Fallen Lord, nor
: would the man pictured behind Connacht in the comic.
: (So perhaps The Head was the cloaked figure in the
: comic.)
: I understand how SiliconDream believes that Shiver is in
: fact a Myrmidon, and this may very well be true, since
: they both share vanity as their demise. But it could
: also be that Shiver converted to the Dark a milenia
: before the rest of the Myrmidons during the reign of
: Moagim, as opposed to Balor.
: So in closing here is the breakdown of who belongs where:
: - Connacht became Balor and started the Dark uprising.
: - Damas became Soulblighter when Balor appeared.
: - Myrdred was converted by Balor.
: - The Myrmidons were enlisted by Balor, making
: Bonesplitter a recent addition.
: - The Watcher is Bahl'al and an ancient evil.
: - Shiver would have to be The Voiceless One and another
: ancient evil.
: - The Faceless Man, is the last of the ancient evils, who
: we know nothing about.
: Let me know how this makes sense to you all, and please
: keep the discussion very logical. I hate people who
: say things without any evidence to back them up with.
: Sincerely,
: Pimpyō
just thought you might want to know, bonesplitter, soulblighter,( changed from bonengasher and souchacher), and the faceless man are anmes from The Black Company see "just thought you might want to know" for more details
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