Thank you for exemplarily proving my point, Seraph; you did not handle one aspect of my post rationally, logically, or without rhetorical or rhetorically induced emotion.
: I don't know if this has started a flame war or not.
: If Bush made a speach to the UN, that doesn't mean ****
: to me.
Why the flagrantly incessant cursing? When I used to be a regular Asylumite, this kind of thing was abhorred.
And that it doesn't mean anything to you seems to show how you choose to ignore or despise momentous events, merely because of one of the participants involved.
: I'll take a look at, but don't use the speach as proof of
: anything.
Must I spell out everything? That was clearly my attempt to give you the chance to witness some new information. What I then expected you to do was go on your own and find several, non-biased resources which, as I discovered myself from my own research, would undoubtèdly confirm what he says in that speech.
: Unless you want to argue Bush isn't as dumb
: as I think he is.
What the heck? You take the most illogical sort of baseless, foundationless, pointless opinion, derived from an insignificant and purportless emotion, and use it to prove all of your points...and you're ok with that? Good god; I can't imagine when the rest of your arguments regarding Myth must have been like.
My honest opinion, which is obviously not provable but still a rationally heuristic one, is that you seem to be some Radical person who cannot and does not desire to fathom reality, favoring a new world order after the chrism of a universal conflagration, and then the baptism of a world-wide deluge...making the new earth in your image?
I only barely consider myself a part of the political system. If I must be labeled, call me a Moderate, one who will not allow either of the extremes (Radical, Reactionary) to affect his rational judgement, and will take in all sides and look beyond the politics to the actual history and facts. I greatly dislike when either side, as if following a cult of its own, sees fit to place its demi-god representatives above all reason and logic, to deify its opinions as being absolute and interminable fact. It shows a great lack of maturity and desire to be mentally independent, which is exactly how the religions you hate become fanatical.
Così va sempre l'ironia.
: If you have an honest belief about what I said earlier
: being a false, misguided, all that crap, opinion,
: e-mail me, my address is in this response.
I will not take that up. I believe most of this should be completely public anyway; as well, I doubt I'd convince you or influence you in any direction, even if I were to suddenly take a point of view more extreme than yours.
: I am an American and I am not proud of it.
You have yet to provide one logical point for this argument. All you've seemed to have done is quote America-hating foreign mantra.
: Viva la Revolution!
And this is a clear bit of evidence which supports my belief that you seem to be Radical (one who desires to destroy everything, turn it all on its head, and then rebuilt something completely different, usually after mass death and the most wretchèd sort of destruction).
: *Doesn't speak French unforunately, but thinks that is
: more or less correct*
**Vive la revolution. Very close, yes.
: So, my fellow ayslumers, let's try and handle this
: tactfully.
*arches an eyebrow* Do you mean "tactfully" as in...rationally? Are you lecturing the rest of the Asylum on being logical after you so irrationally made, rhetorically and without basis, your case?
: I'm sorry Archer but two comments.
Don't appologize for speaking your mind. The last thing I desire is for one to be silenced.
: One: "Civilized human being" is a blatant
: oxymoron of the first order.
Not at all. Let me respond to this with technicality first:
A "human being" by definition one who is more civilized, more cultured than the animals and nature from whence he came, for he will use logic and rationality and his human virtue to guide him (though not all the time does this happen, surely), choosing to live in a world of fairness, safeness, and order. Most people at least endeavor to be like this.
Now, what you probably meant is that people don't tend to be civilized...but I really don't see how. People can be corrupted horribly, as any fanatic who sees it righteous to kill thousands so he can be met by seventy-two virgins at the gates of heaven.
But look at how civilized the New Yorkers were, with order and without craze exiting the city on September 11th, 2001, knowing irrational fear should not get the best of them. Or the other people throughout New York who helped out everyone, drove firefighters and policemen without vehicles to Ground Zero so they and the officers could help, gave away free food, had compassion, sympathy, empathy, caring, and anger, all because fellow human beings, innocents as they, were being killed, and all civilization was threatened ...and if this happens in a "sin city" like New York, think what this means for humanity everywhere.
...And then consider the converse, how a culture I would readily deem uncivilized (Islamist, as in "kill the infidels", do not question the word of Allah or die, etcetera) would do this:
In Saudi Arabia, an "appartment" building (more like a slum with walls and stairs) caught on fire. There were several women inside living there, and they ran out as quickly as they could, into public...without their vales. Their faces exposed, the firemen, as in the equivalent to those modern chevaliers who died while running into the Twin Towers trying to save lives, the firefighters putting out the fire grabbed those women who did not have their faces covered, and threw them back into the burning building, punishing them for disgracing Allah with their sinful exposure. They stopped putting out the fire, allowing the women to be burned to death by the incendiary building, smiling and laughing to hear their screams, as if they were those of devils getting killed.
This is not only common, it is expected behavior in this region.
: Even if it isn't, who the **** qualifies?
The firemen who saved lives and died themselves at the World Trade Center, those hundreds of people in Washington, D.C., who ran towards the flaming side of the Pentagon, helping people escape, and any other selfless, chivalristic man or woman who put virtue above his person.
: Two: Knowing something in your heart and knowing
: something in your head are two different things.
Besides the fact that was clearly a figure of speech intended to mean simply "seek out the truth", that was a paraphrasation of Socrates, the man in 5th Century B.C. Greece who himself dedicated his life to finding the truth, and helping others find theirs.
: I think that you went, justly or unjustly, overly
: dramatic in that.
*furrows his brow* Ignoring the incredibly blatant irony of that, I can assure I did not, and would refute your points were you to have given any to support your opinion.
