: Incorrect. Either "rights" are God given, and
: thereby immutable and unchangeable (an absolute right
: and wrong), or rights are created and imagined by man,
: and thus changeable from day to day. You can't have it
: both ways. I hapen to believe in the former, and would
: die to see my rights and those of my fellow countrymen
: protected from those who would kill simply to make a
: point.
: As for the "cheaper oil" crap, grow a brain.
: When countries prosper economically, more of their
: citizens are employed and fed. Then they're also able
: to help other countries and people. On the other hand,
: if a country is sent into economic tourmoil (witness
: Argentina), thousands and millions more citizens that
: would otherwise be able to find jobs can't. The U.S.
: is THE most generous country in the world when it
: comes to charity. Yes it benefits americans in the
: short and long term. But by that logic *any* act of
: charity can be said to be out of selfish reasons. So
: look at it how you want. But in the end a stable U.S.
: economy means a better world economy.
You do realise that most of your "Charity" is called tied aid, which is basically we give you money you spend them on our guns. Charity is usualy giving without return. And yes a stable US economy is a stable world economy.
: Alternately we could just stop piping oil to Japan. Hell,
: the U.S. could just pull out of the entire world
: economy and let it go belly up, and screw all those
: people in the US that depend on foreign money and
: investment. We could go back to an isolationist
: country that wants no part of world affairs. Then
: everything will just be peachy, right?
: Unfortuantely that's not the case. The U.S. is part of a
: global society and economy now. Be damn glad that
: we're pretty decent when it comes to throwing our
: weight around. Because it could have just as easily
: been Japen and Germany that were discussing the
: invasion of Iraq. As if that would have taken months
: to debate. Heh?
: Murder is wrong, always. But as pointed out, when it's an
: "us or them" situation, you have to make a
: choice. If you in your "nuetral" country
: were invaded by a tyrant like Saddam, I'm sure you
: might just bend over and let him do what he wants. On
: the other hand, you might not. But if he has nuclear
: weapons you won't have the choice, because be damn
: sure he'd use them first and talk later.
I doubt Saddam has the ability to invade any nations or the ability to construct nuclear weapons, he only poses a risk to his own people.
: Who were the innocent civilians? Do you mean the
: afghanies caught in crossfire, or the terrorists?
: Because there's a difference between the two.
Those who died at the hands of the American guns that were given to Afganistan in the 80's in their battles against the Soviet Union.
: So is your country one that depends on the might of
: friendly nations who are willing to see to its defense
: and support, perhaps? A country with citizens such as
: you who would label my country greedy and vengeful?
: And call my president a murderer? If the above were
: truly the case I'd write my congressmen now and tell
: them to bomb the hell out of you with those nukes we
: use all the time, because you've really just pissed me
: off. Crawl back into your hole and pray that none of
: what you believe is true, because there's 1 chance in
: 300 million that I might be president someday. And
: your country, dear friend, would probably dislike
: being severed from all relations with the US that you
: so desperately love to hate.
: Of course, there's always the chance your just plain
: wrong.
I'm sorry you have gotten the wrong point of view, I have no problem with your ordinary american or the nation of America. But my friend you have already proved my point, with your angry response to my critism over the way your government decides to throw military its weight around. Your reaction shows the darker side of an overtly commen trait in our world, pride, a little bit of modesty, and a respect for others goes a long way. Once more I don't hate America or American's, i have respect for many of America's achievements. But all countries have dark periods of time which they later regret and I fear that Americas is coming up real soon. And believe me I want to be wrong just as much as you do.
I only called your preseident greedy and vengeful so no need to take it personally. I find it interesting that such a heated debate has sprouted from me saying killing is wrong, hmmm.
