: Incorrect. Either "rights" are God given, and
: thereby immutable and unchangeable (an absolute right
: and wrong), or rights are created and imagined by man,
: and thus changeable from day to day. You can't have it
: both ways. I hapen to believe in the former, and would
: die to see my rights and those of my fellow countrymen
: protected from those who would kill simply to make a
: point.
God can screw himself. The whole concept of right and wrong is thought of by mortals...for better or for worse. *applogizes to the religious*
: As for the "cheaper oil" crap, grow a brain.
: When countries prosper economically, more of their
: citizens are employed and fed. Then they're also able
: to help other countries and people. On the other hand,
: if a country is sent into economic tourmoil (witness
: Argentina), thousands and millions more citizens that
: would otherwise be able to find jobs can't. The U.S.
: is THE most generous country in the world when it
: comes to charity. Yes it benefits americans in the
: short and long term. But by that logic *any* act of
: charity can be said to be out of selfish reasons. So
: look at it how you want. But in the end a stable U.S.
: economy means a better world economy.
Not nessacerily. It might make a country richer, but the people are still screwed over.
: Alternately we could just stop piping oil to Japan. Hell,
: the U.S. could just pull out of the entire world
: economy and let it go belly up, and screw all those
: people in the US that depend on foreign money and
: investment. We could go back to an isolationist
: country that wants no part of world affairs. Then
: everything will just be peachy, right?
If we did that, we would be shooting ourselves in the foot.
: Unfortuantely that's not the case. The U.S. is part of a
: global society and economy now. Be damn glad that
: we're pretty decent when it comes to throwing our
: weight around. Because it could have just as easily
: been Japen and Germany that were discussing the
: invasion of Iraq. As if that would have taken months
: to debate. Heh?
The united states has a ****ing duty to do the right thing. It is not something it should just decide "Nay, we'll let you all go hang..." that kind of thing.
: Murder is wrong, always. But as pointed out, when it's an
: "us or them" situation, you have to make a
: choice. If you in your "nuetral" country
: were invaded by a tyrant like Saddam, I'm sure you
: might just bend over and let him do what he wants. On
: the other hand, you might not. But if he has nuclear
: weapons you won't have the choice, because be damn
: sure he'd use them first and talk later.
The odds of Saddam getting nukes, or being crazy enough to use them if he did, is about 1 in a few million I think.
: Who were the innocent civilians? Do you mean the
: afghanies caught in crossfire, or the terrorists?
: Because there's a difference between the two.
Innocent Civilian= any nonterrorist, nonpartisan, nonmiltary etc.
: So is your country one that depends on the might of
: friendly nations who are willing to see to its defense
: and support, perhaps? A country with citizens such as
: you who would label my country greedy and vengeful?
: And call my president a murderer? If the above were
: truly the case I'd write my congressmen now and tell
: them to bomb the hell out of you with those nukes we
: use all the time, because you've really just pissed me
: off. Crawl back into your hole and pray that none of
: what you believe is true, because there's 1 chance in
: 300 million that I might be president someday. And
: your country, dear friend, would probably dislike
: being severed from all relations with the US that you
: so desperately love to hate.
Speaking as an american, and one who is blatantly not proud of it, if you became president...with the views your shouting off here, I'd want you dead so fast it would make your head spin. This country (The USA) is seriously messed up in plenty of ways.
: Of course, there's always the chance your just plain
: wrong.
: --Jason Beach, U.S. citizen, taxpayer, and voter.
George Mellen, U.S. citizen, too young to vote, too young to pay taxes, too angry at his country's arrogance to be totally rational.
P.S. I've noticed that this conversation is pissing me off at some of the people here. If I sound like I'm flaming someone, rest asured that I'm just pissed. I applogize for any insults taken, but I will not withdraw my statements.
They as honest as I can make them.
