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Re: What? *PIC*

Posted By: Archer »–)› (dhcp-37seg-1-171.msns.sm.ptd.net)
Date: 9/14/2002 at 4:13 p.m.

In Response To: Re: What? *PIC* (zeph)

Oh my God you need to actually read what I say before responding to it...

: That's a stereotypical view of the Islamic Faith, its on
: par with saying that every single Catholic wants every
: single Protestant dead and visa versa from looking at
: N. Ireland.

Misreading number one. I did not say Islamic, that of a person of the Muslim faith; I said Islamist, one who decries fanatically, "Kill all the infidels!", and has no moral recourse for slaughtering thousands, and in fact desires such an attrocity. Islamism is an offshoot of Islamic Fundamentalism, i.e. the misinterpretation of the Korran which submits women in the awful ways I described (factually) that went on in Afghanistan.

I do not in any way chide or defame Islam.

: A mere 120! yea right. And targeted specifically or not
: they end up just as dead.

*rolls his eyes* Maybe you shouldn't read the tabloids, and instead have a look at the very statistic provided by the Afghan government:

    "the Afghan government estimates 48 people were killed and 117 injured"

You're right; my figures were rounded, not definite statistics.
As for the numbers that reach “1,067 and 1,201”, for instance, that takes into account unarmed officers of the Taliban.

: I'm not saying that it is right, I'm just saying that we
: have no right to change them.

Then you are not concord with the rest of the world, my friend! The United Nations has this chief resolution: humanitarian rights shall be upheld in all countries of the world. Indeed, the United Nations, especially the Security Council, will form resolutions and demand the compliance of a country that defies its directive of providing human rights to all.

: If they must change then
: they must do so by themselves and not be some American
: soldier

How convenient of you to forget the British, Canadian, Italian, and other allied troops who fought and died in the beginning of the war of Operation Freedom. Truly, that is exactly what this war is about: freeing the world from terrorism, in all its forms, exactly as is believed by the United States of America, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the State of Israel, the Russian Federation, the Italian Republic, the Kingdom of Spain, and the Republic of Poland. And even more nations share this sentiment.

: who thinks that he's killing for what is right
: when all he's actually doing is making sure his
: country gets cheaper oil.

What the frick are you talking about? Do you mean the Gulf War? You do know, I hope, that the United States was not fighting that war for itself, or that it did it alone. The invasion of Kuwait by Saddam Hussein’s Iraqi army meant this: he could hold Europe and other nations ransom, for he would control the primary source of oil for the Occidental continent and take control of the OIC. The United States has 85% of its oil from its own territory, conversely; it’s still a heavy importer at 15%, but there is no material need for the Middle East as far as oil goes. However, the American economy is tied intrinsically with that of the European Union, and what affects Europe will affect the US almost as badly. So, the US and EU and other nations economically dependant upon the Middle East for oil joined together to stop one tyrant from holding them all hostage.

: Are you saying that the murder of thousands of people is
: right!!!!!!!

Misreading number two. Did you even read what I said, not skim it? And tell me how very much is Great Britain not to blame for killing thousands in a matter of weeks during the same days of World War II, half a globe away in Germany as Cologne, Dresden, Krefeld, Düsseldorf, Essen, Dortmund, Duisburg, Bonn, Bremen, Frankfurt, Stüttgart, and Munich were flattened, completely, (I was there not 17 months ago to see the destruction and total reparation of everything myself firsthand) carpet bombed without discrimination for civilian or military personel. Their rationale: they were all Nazis.
And that was no mere stategy to stop the War, no no! That was in retaliatory vengence for Hitler’s bomb attacks on England, especially the V-1 and V-2 damage done to London.
Now, look again at what I said: war requires a lot of tough, really tough, moral decisions. And Truman made the right one.

Or would you prefer to have the Province of Britain, Conquered Island Dominion of Nazi Germany, slave to the whim of Adolph Hitler III, unified at last under the Swastika of the Third Reich, the Green Emerald on the Ring of the Führer’s Fist?

Or the Pacific States of America, the territory surrendered to the Japenese Empire of the Sun in compliance with its demands, and threat of the complete destruction of the Land of the Free?

: Thousands died in horrible ways, their
: skin peeling from their flesh, the blood leaking from
: their veins, cancer is still common in Hiroshima and
: Nagasaki because of Truman's quikc fire way to
: victory.

I thought you said death is death, whether millions by the bullet, or thousands by vaporization.

: Its ironic that the country that feels a need
: to rid other nations of nuclear weapons is the only
: one to ever use them in the field of combat.

The first and hopefully last time, yes. This is called responsibility.

: They were inoccent civilians, just as inoccent as those
: that died in 9/11 and more died than then, and you say
: what they did was wrong and what America was right.

What America did was prevent the death of virtually the entire Japanese population.

: 1:i'm not american, I've made this clear several times,
: i'm a citizen of a neutral country.

You certainly didn’t make that clear last year when you seemed to say rather directly to me that you were American. Praytell, wherefrom com’st thou?

: A country that
: does not see the need to invade other nations and
: oppress their beliefs as they were oppressed for 700
: years, as they were attempted to be wiped out as the
: Incas and Aztecs were in plantations as they were
: viewed as lesser beings, as they were without liberty
: or a right to rule themselves, as they fought to gain
: freedom from a nation who believed they were doing the
: right thing oppressing this "barbaric" race.

What in God’s name are you talking about?

: So you see as everything may seem just and righteous
: to you old friend it is nothing but greed and vengance
: that are in the eyes of Mr. Bush as he orders the
: murder of people whose only crime is being born in the
: wrong country.

You almost seem to say it like it’s a fact, as if it’s something you could possibly believe...but there is not one iota of rationale behind it, not a breath of reality...perhaps you’re exaggreating just a tad?

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