: Yes, it was, just as would be the potential death of
: every American citizen, something the Islamists (as
: in, those who believe Islam should triumph over and
: destroy all other faiths, by any means) are trying to
: do to every single one of us Americans at this very
: moment.
That's a stereotypical view of the Islamic Faith, its on par with saying that every single Catholic wants every single Protestant dead and visa versa from looking at N. Ireland.
: Thousands of Afghan civilians? This statistic is not
: accurate, my friend. The real number is one hundred
: and twenty, and those are dead or injured...compared
: to what happened to the German cities in World War
: II?? Please...awful as it is, they were not targetted
: specifically, and making complete even-handedness of
: treatment with the United States and al-Qaeda, that
: is wrong.
A mere 120! yea right. And targeted specifically or not they end up just as dead.
: But are you indeed making moral equivalence with American
: soldiers who shoot Taliban as being as bad as the
: terrorists who flew those planes into the World Trade
: Center?
: Let?s assume you?re right; the Afghans have their
: opinions and religious beliefs, and we should respect
: them, not invade them or make them change their ways.
: We should let them have their world and ourselves have
: ours. ...for the cause of the Taliban and the Iraqis
: is the same as ours...right? They are fighting and
: defending their Allah-given rights: the right to beat
: their women when they misbehave; the right to stone
: them if their burkhas aren?t being worn in the
: ?sacred? fashion; the right to shoot them in the head
: if they dare to speak out of place; the duty to kill
: all the infidels; the right to prevent women from
: getting an education, or learn to read, or understand
: anything beyond pleasing their husbands; the right to
: mutilate or even literally crucify any who attempt to
: speak freely, or even mention the possibility of
: knowledge beyond that disseminated by the
: Fundamentalist regimes; the duty to beat into
: submission any woman who does not wear her vale, right
: there in the streets, or have her be publicly tortured
: if she does anything but praise the Father Allah and
: His ?justice?.
I'm not saying that it is right, I'm just saying that we have no right to change them. If they must change then they must do so by themselves and not be some American soldier who thinks that he's killing for what is right when all he's actually doing is making sure his country gets cheaper oil.
: Now I?m starting to wonder what you really mean by
: "wrong". What was wrong was the Japanese
: Empire forcing the United States into a war it did not
: want to come into by attacking it unprovokèdly at
: Pearl Harbor on December 7th, 1941. This act caused a
: hundred thousand casualties on both sides, the
: Pacific red with blood, not one drop of it on American
: hands.
: The Japanese had to be stopped, immediately, or they
: would not be as merciful as we when they invaded the
: United States. Indeed, America did not choose to start
: a war for the purpose of conquering another country,
: as the Japanese Empire had. Nor did we have any
: resolve but to cripple the war machine of the island
: nation, which was done.
: And President Truman was faced with this decision:
: unleash the hellish power of the most destructive
: devices ever known, killing two hundred thousand
: people and instantly ending the War of the Pacific;
: or, invade Japan, in a long, gruesome, agonizingly
: drawn out land war which would have a death toll of
: millions of people, as every single Japanese person
: (and in a totalitarian regime such as that Empire of
: fanatics, there virtually are no civilians, as
: everyone is forced or willingly complies to serve the
: belligerence of the government) would have fought to
: the bloody death. Truman made the most ethical
: decision he could, and saved more lives by killing
: some. It?s the most horrible rationalization anyone
: would have to face, and he did it, and took the just
: end, rather than let millions die.
Are you saying that the murder of thousands of people is right!!!!!!! Thousands died in horrible ways, their skin peeling from their flesh, the blood leaking from their veins, cancer is still common in Hiroshima and Nagasaki because of Truman's quikc fire way to victory. Its ironic that the country that feels a need to rid other nations of nuclear weapons is the only one to ever use them in the field of combat.
: As for ?wrong?, I assume you mean morally; in that case,
: one can see rationally how it was not wrong for those
: dreadful bombs to be dropped.
They were inoccent civilians, just as inoccent as those that died in 9/11 and more died than then, and you say what they did was wrong and what America was right.
: These are powerful words, old friend, and I can greatly
: appreciate the twain Paul McCartney reference;
: however, as much as we would desire to let things
: lie and not have to kill a single human being, those
: terrorists, who right now are trying to kill you, you
: , zeph, a citizen of the United States, just by that
: virtue alone, those terrorists do not have any such
: notion of mercy, justice, compassion, temperance,
: humanity, or morality. Our military actions are to
: protect this country, and not see it fall to the
: leveling of war, just as happened to Europe almost
: completely in World War II, just as happened to
: Muirthemne at the hands of Balor the Leveler when he
: destroyed and mercilessly slaughtered every single
: one of those subjects of the Cath Bruig Empire,
: merely because they were Cath Bruig.
1:i'm not american, I've made this clear several times, i'm a citizen of a neutral country. A country that does not see the need to invade other nations and oppress their beliefs as they were oppressed for 700 years, as they were attempted to be wiped out as the Incas and Aztecs were in plantations as they were viewed as lesser beings, as they were without liberty or a right to rule themselves, as they fought to gain freedom from a nation who believed they were doing the right thing oppressing this "barbaric" race. So you see as everything may seem just and righteous to you old friend it is nothing but greed and vengance that are in the eyes of Mr. Bush as he orders the murder of people whose only crime is being born in the wrong country.
-zeph
