: *waves to everyone, very happy as always to see his olds
: friends still around*
: Yes, it was, just as would be the potential death of
: every American citizen, something the Islamists (as
: in, those who believe Islam should triumph over and
: destroy all other faiths, by any means) are trying to
: do to every single one of us Americans at this very
: moment.
How many of us are americans in here? Just curious.
: Thousands of Afghan civilians? This statistic is not
: accurate, my friend. The real number is one hundred
: and twenty, and those are dead or injured...compared
: to what happened to the German cities in World War
: II?? Please...awful as it is, they were not targetted
: specifically, and making complete even-handedness of
: treatment with the United States and al-Qaeda, that
: is wrong.
We hear the real number from what sources? I seriously doubt that we only killed or wounded 120 civilians. Now, we might not have killed thousands, but it still sounds awefully low.
: But are you indeed making moral equivalence with American
: soldiers who shoot Taliban as being as bad as the
: terrorists who flew those planes into the World Trade
: Center?
Methinks thou over simplified this and the following (deleted) paragraph.
: Now I’m starting to wonder what you really mean by
: "wrong". What was wrong was the Japanese
: Empire forcing the United States into a war it did not
: want to come into by attacking it unprovokèdly at
: Pearl Harbor on December 7th, 1941. This act caused a
: hundred thousand casualties on both sides, the
: Pacific red with blood, not one drop of it on American
: hands.
And of course America did apsolutely nothing that could possibily have been even close to a rational justifaction by any standard...
What was really wrong is that the world reached a point in which drowning it in blood was the only way to cleanse it.
: The Japanese had to be stopped, immediately, or they
: would not be as merciful as we when they invaded the
: United States. Indeed, America did not choose to start
: a war for the purpose of conquering another country,
: as the Japanese Empire had. Nor did we have any
: resolve but to cripple the war machine of the island
: nation, which was done.
The Japanese wouldn't have invaded the united states.
That would have been moronic...and near impossible.
: And President Truman was faced with this decision:
: unleash the hellish power of the most destructive
: devices ever known, killing two hundred thousand
: people and instantly ending the War of the Pacific;
: or, invade Japan, in a long, gruesome, agonizingly
: drawn out land war which would have a death toll of
: millions of people, as every single Japanese person
: (and in a totalitarian regime such as that Empire of
: fanatics, there virtually are no civilians, as
: everyone is forced or willingly complies to serve the
: belligerence of the government) would have fought to
: the bloody death. Truman made the most ethical
: decision he could, and saved more lives by killing
: some. It’s the most horrible rationalization anyone
: would have to face, and he did it, and took the just
: end, rather than let millions die.
I hate this arguement. If the Japanese people were so fantatical, so devouted to the goverment that they would all die for it, why did even this make them surrender?
I hate the atomic bomb. I hate the fact that we killed more people in a few seconds then had previously (different centuries) been killed in whole wars.
: As for “wrong”, I assume you mean morally; in that case,
: one can see rationally how it was not wrong for those
: dreadful bombs to be dropped.
Please explain why unleashing such unholy destruction was justified without stating the Japanese were fanatics.
: These are powerful words, old friend, and I can greatly
: appreciate the twain Paul McCartney reference;
: however, as much as we would desire to let things
: lie and not have to kill a single human being, those
: terrorists, who right now are trying to kill you, you
: , zeph, a citizen of the United States, just by that
: virtue alone, those terrorists do not have any such
: notion of mercy, justice, compassion, temperance,
: humanity, or morality. Our military actions are to
: protect this country, and not see it fall to the
: leveling of war, just as happened to Europe almost
: completely in World War II, just as happened to
: Muirthemne at the hands of Balor the Leveler when he
: destroyed and mercilessly slaughtered every single
: one of those subjects of the Cath Bruig Empire,
: merely because they were Cath Bruig.
That's not true Archer. The terrorists undoubtly have twisted logic but, even though I would normally agree with you here, I cann't. Now, if we stomped out bin Ladin's group, that would be good.
Saying that we act in self defense by attacking other people however...
: What is wrong is when a group of people starts a war
: against another, forcing the dilemma without
: alternative of letting some die, or letting many die.
What is really wrong is the fact that people as reasonable as us Ayslumers (Who probably aren't over thirty, any of us, but I could be wrong) can understand this and come up with more or less reasonable explanations for all of this.
I really think that this might have been a bad idea to bring up this thread...but I cann't stop it.
I don't want to (personally, if you guys are going to be my guests) discuss the bloody cruel evil fantatic etc...
Not here at least. But if you guys do, I have no problems with it.
I hope that we all treat each other respectfully...including people we(or in this case, maybe just I) disagree with like Archer.
Seraph
