: This is a good point, but some of the new but
: non-contradictory information provided is just plain
: stupid, like the Tain being some disposable,
: mass-producable little thing. (God, the line
: "This is 'a' Tain" just enrages me!!!!) On
: the other hand, some is more acceptable, though Myth
: III's sloppiness on all points makes it less so.
: On to the contradictions, and some new ponderables of my
: own.
Yeah, I didn't really like that being called 'a' Tain.
: 1) Damas needed to prolong his life with ritual sacrifice
: and self-mutilation, says Myth I. Damas was a Heron
: guard, says Myth III, and therefore already
: immortal...oops...
Well you have a point, but Heron Guard are not immortal. In Myth I and II we are never given information about Damas being a Heron Guard. Heron Guard are not immortal; they can be killed of course but they just have longer life expectancy than regular humans do. Look at this from the epilogue:
"Soulblighter was not The Leveler. He may have been if he had survived into the next millennium – but, in his attempt to force the cycle, he perished and almost certainly will suffer at the hands of those who set it in motion. It is even conceivable that because of his actions the cycle has been broken, but we cannot be sure — at least not for another nine hundred and forty years.
Nine Skull chuckled, saying that with a little luck, he may still be around to see."
This sugguests that the Heron Guard are not immortal just live longer.
: There are more contradictions mentioned on this post, I'm
: sure, but I have a bad short term memory. On to the
: ponderables. I'll start with this quote: "Ah,
: Sinis! I thought you died when Mazzarin collapsed the
: Shrine of Nyx upon you!" Here is the first (and,
: in the reliable texts of Myth I and II, only)
: reference to Nyx, which Myth III's team later
: developed as the Trow god. But also, this quote makes
: reference to Mazzarin, who is (only in Myth III, mind
: you) said to be the first and greatest avatara. But
: Alric speaks like the event is in living memory, for
: he recognizes Sinis, who he thought was re-killed by
: someone named Mazzarin. Now we must examine the flavor
: text that the Thrall and avatara share. (There is only
: one for the avatara, though, since you only see one
: non-undead one.) It is this: "...the seventh wave
: of Thrall stumbled and climbed over the slippery,
: piled dead, and Mazzarin saw The Watcher with them and
: at last knew the number of his days..." It's
: obvious why this is on the Thrall: It makes references
: both to them and to their creator, The Watcher. And
: maybe it is on the avatara because it references the
: founder of their order, Mazzarin! So there are four
: possibilities (if Myth III is looked on as just a
: possibility): Mazzarin is the founder of the order,
: killed long ago by the Watcher, and a more recent
: avatara named after him collapsed the shrine of Nyx on
: Sinis, who escaped to get hacked to bits by Alric, OR
: Mazzarin founded the order during the Wolf Age and
: lived for a long time until he was killed by the
: Watcher and brought back as the shade you later kill
: (in which case Myth III is once again wrong) OR Alric
: was making reference to a long ago battle which he
: remembered from histories, in which case Sinis is one
: really old shade, OR Sinis was killed for the first
: time when the shrine of Nyx collapsed on him (he would
: have to have been some renegade avatara), in which
: case any of the previous three could be true. Keep in
: mind that in the first possibility, there is no way to
: know which Mazzarin is the shade and which is
: referenced in the flavor text, or if the same one is
: the shade and in the flavor text. I would go for the
: second possibility. The first is just too confusing,
: and was probably not what Bungie meant to be the truth
: in TFL. Of course the thing about Mazzarin being the
: founder is probably not either, but that can be later
: ignored. The third one doesn't make sense at all, and
: neither does the fourth, and they're not interesting
: enough to be defended.
: Tell me what I've missed.
Well this is what they say--
Alric- “Ah, Sinis! I thought you died when Mazzarin collapsed the Shrine of Nyx upon you.”
Sinis- “Indeed Alric, then I’ll wager that you thought you’d seen the last of me!”
Alric- “I have seen the last of you.”
As we can see Alric must have met Sinis in person because of "..I'll wager that you thought you'd seen the last of me!" We know Mazzarin was killed some time ago. And I doubt Sinis was a renagade Avatara just because Mazzarin killed him. Remember Shades are the bodies of long past sorcerers. So maybe Sinis was not an Avatara ever. And for all we know Mazzarin killed Sinis because at that time Mazzarin could have been dead already and have been a Shade.
I am just placing some facts and ideas since no has mentioned these yet.
-Pyro
