: And Shiver wasn't fully killed by
: Rabican, which is why the Tales says she lingered in
: defeat.
And show a roasted patch of land with just smoke rising from it and a neat pile of ash...not dead...come on!
: Sorry, but once you kill a person, you don't say
: "they lingered in defeat." Never. The only
: reason one would say something like that is if one
: defeated that person, who survived. If I beat you in a
: sword duel, but let you live, you would "linger
: in defeat". But if I killed you, you certainly,
: by no means possible, "linger in defeat."
: You'd be dead, not linger around.
Unless they're using poetic license. Take another look at the text, it's very choppy and some doesn't seem to follow on like bits are left out or like a poem.
struggled
to
thought
Moagim
vanity
VANITY
whisper
weakness
Peel the body...
...then pierce the soul.
(question)
Victory?
(answer)
Rabican stood to fight another day...
(while on the other hand)
...Shiver lingered in defeat.
i.e. Rabican survived but Shiver was defeated. Now if she was defeated, she would not survive or be able to escape before being killed. The reason they say "lingers" is as a foreboding message for the things to come, i.e. she is resurrected in Myth 2. I think it's categorical that she is killed by Rabican.
Other quotes include this one from TFL Homecoming:
"Shiver fell on the first night in a spectacular dream duel with Rabican, one of the Nine."
This description of Rabican:
"Rabican faced Shiver in the battle for Madrigal, casting her down in a terrifying dream duel using secrets revealed to him by The Head."
Words like "fell" and "casting her down" indicate a hint of her actually dying.
She definately dies as pointed out by this quote but it doesn't state when:
"...her spirit disconnected from her body, set adrift on the ether..."
She dies and I'm pretty sure Rabican does the killing.
I just wanted to clarify that fact.
