: Its obvious that all undead, starved, unlife 'immortal
: bodies' or whatever the hell you want to call them
: they all have sentience.
Dammit. Word play has screwed my again. should look in Dictionary before writing posts Dammit.
What i should have said is intelligence rather than sentients dammit.
(((Hmm, your strange new idea intrigues me?go on.)))
: Its fairly obvious that the Watcher didn't control every
: single movment of every single Thrall. eg No
: 12545154685 lift axe now. No 14543143132465 drop axe
: now.
(((Thrall have about half the intelligence of an ant. That intelligence is put into them magically by the necromancer.Not all undead are sentient, for certain. They don't need to be self-aware to think and move and react to their environment. They work like ants or bees do in a collective, and they're programmed with rather simple instinct, and even those creatures are more complex than Thrall or other simple undead.)))
Instinct is what controls a Thrall etc. There instinct tells them kill him or defend myself.
And your not thinking of bees your thinking Borg. in actual fact I think borg and thrall are pretty much on par intelligence wise.
: The Myrmidions never being dead but 'malnutrioned' from
: the ineffectivenss of their digestive system. Are
: sentient and thus run like their alive and use blades
: to a relative degree of skill. They are alive and
: retain there souls.
(((Lol, that's so debatable, I'm just going to ignore it.
I'll just say, if they were alive, they wouldn't need magic keeping them animate. That's the best definition for undeath.)))
The are not dead. To die you must be killed they were never killed they never passed away there souls never left their bodies. They don't have magic keeping them animated. The magic keeps them alive. They are ALIVE. Just reaaalllly hungry.
: The Shades were dead but judging from the condition of
: there bodies they were made 'undead' immedietely
: afterword. thus they are still sentient and can use a
: sword well and magic and can float. They retain free
: will but do as they are ordered because they know if
: they don't they will be severely crushed by their
: masters.
(((Proof to this which contradicts what is commonly known?)))
Phelot was under direct control by the Deciever. They are also sentient and intelligent because clearly we have seen them in control of armies eg Phelot and Herod and Scarpiant need I go on.
: Anything more dead than a Shade is rather stupid.
: They
: can't use weapons to great skill or at all and Move
: slowly.
(((Forgotten/Forsaken might be different, same as Lyches and the other cool new things?err, old :-).)))
Lyches don't look undead buuut weel know soon enough.
: The Ghasts are fresh corpses and and are rotting they
: move nimbly enough because of they only recently died.
: They are semi-sentient. They are controlled by there
: master to attack that town and they'll do it but there
: master won't tell them go kill that villager now. They
: will attack if attacked.
(((Are you ok, zeph? You seem?tired, or something.
They don't have to know who they are or what they are to react to stimuli.)))
Intelligence Dammit :)
Bees when they sting release a pheremone htat attracts other bees to sting you. This is what woud happen with undead but through the mental link they have to there master.
: Wights are mearly aged Ghasts and less nimble but still
: faster than Thrall. They too are-semi sentient. They
: will do as told and in whatever way they think best.
: but if attacked they will fight back unless directly
: ordered not to.
(((Actually, Wights move at the exact same speed as Thrall.
That's why Thrall can catch up to them in those "Desert" river battles between sunken Wights and tagging Thrall.)))
hmm looks faster.
: Thrall may not be aged corpses. For it is said that the
: bodies in Avons grove not suitable for Thrall were
: devoured by the ghols. But perhaps this means the
: bodies in the Graves.
(((There might be some minor aging process that can be implimented upon the corpses to make them into Thrall instead of Ghasts, or just a more complicated spell. Ghasts need a long time to decay into Wights. The process can be sped up, however, in those cages we saw for Wights in Sons of Myrgard.)))
Yea
: Thrall are stupid. They attack
: when attacked and kill when the enemies in sight and
: they do what there told. Beyond that there utterly
: thick. They can only use an axe and move
: sslloowwllyyyyyyyy.
(((They move in groups, though, in patrols with Soulless and fetch.)))
they having the ability to move in groups doesn't add alot to there intelligence
: Soulless are fairly complicated beings. They are legless
: undead usually all that remains of them is a skeleton.
: they are the most complicated 'undead' after Shades.
: they can float and use their javelins to some degree
: of effectiveness. if the dark magics that dissipate
: there no longer kept together and they turn into a
: pile of bones. They will attack when attacked and
: attack when enemy is sighted.
(((Right, the lack of magic suspending its animation is what will kill an undead creature?definition of undeath.)))
: Undead and Unlife are, in the game, considered the same
: thing. They were used by bungie as the same thing.
(((What? That's a nice opinion, but where's...even the inspiration for this idea?
It's not based on anything and has no evidence supporting it.)))
Because they are used in the same context on the same beings its makes sense. Its putting 2 and 2 together and getting 4.
: The Watcher never found The dream of unlife.
(((Another interesting opinion?)))
: He instead
: used dark magics to bring pseudo-life to corpses. I
: suspect the dream of un-life, being a dream and
: immensly powerful, actually resurects they being that
: it was used on to their full health. No scraggy
: corpses but fully living, breathing beings.
(((That's...a thought. It has no evidence at all, however. "Unlife" is used twice in the game, but not more. Neither time is its definition even certain.)))
it makes sense thats what this post was about. Taking the information we have and putting it togther logically. though I screwed up by using sentient instead of intelligent Dammit.
-zeph
