: Actually, I didn't at all :) Look: undead beings have
: glimpses and fleeting memories of their past lives,
: whereas unliving beings have the same memories and
: same experiences because they're the same being, just
: in a dead body. I don't contradict anything in my
: hypothesis.
YES! So you admit that they have dead bodies. Thanks :-). You know what this means? We don't disagree, except on the use of the word "unlife".
: That's your definition. I'm not going to alter
: terminology found in-game because you don't like it :)
Actually, your definition contradicts what is found ingame. That's why it doesn't work. That's my point.
: I agree with certain parts of your theory above, but I do
: not believe that when something's body is altered it
: automactically becomes 'undead'
If the alteration, like a tatoo or even as severe as the amputation of a limb, leaves the body to live out its life in a natural state without further alteration, it's still natural and not artificial, and so is not dead or undead.
However, if the magic in, say, a Thrall ceases to exist, the Thrall will deanimate (die) and terminate. The same goes for a Myrmidon, Wight, Shade, Soulless, and even Soulblighter. This is probably the best definition for "undeath," "anything which can be "killed" by removing all animational magic from a being deems that being 'undead'". Can we agree on this?
Alric, for instance, or another Avatara, can live out his natural life even if his magic is, somehow, taken from his body. His natural life is endowed with the magic. When that life is no longer supported by natural means, and instead only by magic, artificial means, it becomes undead.
.... undeath in my view
: is a possibility, not the case that happens all the
: time.
Huh? Sorry, could you clarify?
: If the creature was altered while still alive, it is
: unliving to me.
Altered like plastic surgery or getting a few fingers chopped off, right?
So
if a Thrall is made from a Warrior that is still alive, what do you say? There is no death of the Warrior? As far as definition of words, I'd be more willing to call this "undeath." This is why we pick a Systθme International here, something which we can all agree upon which isn't biased to anyone else, like the French did with the metric system.
: Exactly my point. Thank you!
.::reads back:: What I meant was that Shades were willing and that Myrmidons were willing to become their undead form. That doesn't mean they retained any control, however, and instead are not free spirits.
: We don't know anything for sure about Mazzarin, but the
: fact that someone with the same name is present on the
: level where the main character is the guy who killed
: him.... that should tell you something. :D
It's definitely suggestive. You could very well be right. You could very well be wrong too :-). I'd like it if you were right, as far as story goes, but it might, unfortunately, be just as much of a mistake or lost plot arc as other aspects of Myth, like the 500-year cycle of Light or Dark and Connacht being the hero of the Wind Age. We can explain some of those things now with different facts, but they were old, original things which hold little relevance now.
: That was either an easter egg or a dropped story arc, in
: my perspective.
Same could be true of Mazz, though, since we just don't know.
: Yep, both definitions work for Shades and Avatars. It is
: like the Bible; if you look at the fall of the angels
: stories, you will realize that there were 2 falls: the
: first fall with the angels lead by Satan... and the
: second fall when the Watchers were tempted by women.
: First fall was the result of pride, second, lust. Two
: interpretations that work together, like the TFL and
: M:II definitions of shades.. they don't conflict, they
: work together.
Sure! :-)
: We have all done this one time or another, it comes with
: knowing so much about Myth :)
'Tis a curse :-)
: Aww! Unlife is different, I say! Different! ;D
Let that term go. As I said before, I think it is foolhardy to defend a word like that when there is the largest lexicon of language in the world out there (English). We can even use other languages to be preppy :-).
