: The word DOESN'T exist, at least not in any dictionary
: I've looked in. Sure, un means to reverese, but if a
: word doesn't exist it has to be made up. If we made it
: up, we can define its meaning.
Actually, it does in Myth, and its "meaning" seems to be either the same as undead, or it contradicts with what you put forth. This is why I strongly suggest a new set of terms.
: See Tronyn's response, if you recall there was this
: little release called GURPS Myth.
Yes, very little.
: For the uninitiated
: GURPS means Generic Universal ROLEPLAY System.
Yup, it sure is a little rpg based off of the computer game Myth.
: There is an official source on Vampires now? If I recall,
: they are mythological creatures based loosely on the
: actions of Vlad the Impaler. Being an official source
: on Vampires is like being an official source on
: Unicorns. Mythology is up to individual
: interpretation.
Ah good! Then I was right: no official source says that a Vampire was "unalive". Hehe :-).
: Look over the different variations of
: Vampires in Warhammer, Buffy and Dungeons and Dragons.
: There is no set Vampire design, so you cannot have an
: official source on them.
Exactly! :-) This is a big point of I mine I was trying to make. Just because one mythological set has something, like dragons, or a workable definition for "unlife", doesn't mean Myth has to have it. Despite its name, it's not the recepticle container for all mythologies.
: Twice Born could also refer to the 'new' life he found.
And what happened to the old one? :-) I'm pretty sure that one clearly died, certainly his natural one.
: We all know he was a good guy early on, he trekked
: into the desert to find immortality and came back as
: one evil SOB. We know he was evil, as he does not
: revert to his former self after Balor's death like
: Myrdred did.
Myrdred didn't come right back after Balor died. In fact, he was still being hunted by the Light after Balor died. This isn't relavant to the subject though
just nitpicking; sorry :-).
: And it can hardly be proved either, so kindly leave it
: out of the debate.
Actually, I meant that it is already a truth. It is absolutely proven. There is nothing natural that is keeping the myrms alive. That lack of natural life is lack of all true life. They are therefore undead.
GURPS can hardly be proven. How about leave that outa the debate :-).
: A rabid racoon is still sentient.
Lol! This is one of those really, really funny things that I hear that I must laugh at because it seems very rediculous to me.
Nothing but humans have the capacity for true and full sentience. Even other apes and dolphins can only come close, but not anywhere near the creative or conceptual abilities we have. That is my definition of sentience, as many others'. (I certainly think animals have emotions, can feel pain, can think, have a will of their own, and many other things very "human," but they are definitely mentally inferior to us, without a doubt.)
: Nice to see maturity is alive and well in the Asylum. If
: you don't agree, I'm fine with it. I don't need some
: condescending fool ridiculing my posts. If I wanted to
: see lol as the beginning to every sentence I'd go to a
: chatroom.
I never said a harsh word about you. "Condescending fool" is uncalled for; I certainly didn't insult you. I laughed because that's a very funny statement you made. It's not meant to ridicule, but to take things lightly. It's also to portray my tone as positive and friendly, as opposed to criticizing, unkind, and nagging. I'm very sorry if this is how I've come off; it certainly wasn't intended.
: We find yokels carrying guns in Myth II, an obvious
: easter egg, is that canon?
The guns sure are, yeah. They're a Dwarven invention (which the Dwarves have no use for with their nearsightedness). That's, yes, canon. There are other examples of easter eggs too, but there are also other examples of lost plot arcs.
: Easter eggs are included
: for the enjoyment of the players, or as some secret
: message, why does Alric's head flying over the Devoid
: have to be so significant? Couldn't it just be Bungie
: playing a joke?
It could, but that's hardly the debate. The original comment was, Bungie has inserted a few things here and there. Mazzarin the Shade is one. Alric's head is another. Welly thought that something like Mazzarin in "The Watcher" was definitive to meaning, that the Mazzarin Shade was meant by Bungie to be Mazzarin the Avatara, though it doesn't say so in so many words. I said how Alric's head was another case where something happened which wasn't necessarily true, yet still existed in the story. That's all.
: As far as I'm aware you are, I've never had anyone else
: complain. Regardless, Forrest nicely disproves us all
: further down, so the point is mute.
I think you mean "moot." And it's Silicon Dream; don't let him hear you call him Forrest! :-)
: Proved!? You ranted on about reversal in the English
: language, which hardly disproves anything. As you say,
: Unlife was invented by Welly (apparently) and thus he
: earns the right to define it.
Sorry; "showed you how it's a faulty term." I'm sorry proved is too implicative a word for your pentiant (seriously).
And no, Welly chose to create a new term unrelated to the Myth one. The Myth one is clearly different from Welly's. The problem came in when Welly tried to apply his term to define Myth, yet Myth already had a contrasting one.
And I'm also truely, very sorry if you read my posts one sentence at a time. That's not how they're meant to be read. I say things with a definitive and logical order which I use to convey all my points in a linked and conjoined manner. More than my commentary on technical definitions in that post was proof against it, and more mounts every time.
Some just read my posts as if they're grading a paper, like you seem to yourself.
: D&D is based on myths and legends, as is Myth. BTW, there
: are Berserks in D&D. :)
Ah, exactly. Myth is based off of legends, not off of D&D. Their common sources are obviously irrelevant. One modern mythology doesn't need to have the same stuff another does. Final point: definitions from one game to another vary greatly according to the creators' decisions.
GURPS is based off of Myth, but it's not the same. GURPS is a different story.
: As Forrest points out, we're both wrong here.
Sili! :-)
And I'm not necessarily wrong. We don't know what unlife's meaning is yet at all. Generally, it probably means not naturally alive. That's all we know, because Wights are called, in the general, "dead" and "undead". Specifically, they're called "undead". Equally, "unlife" is used generally to describe Wights, the same as "death" is. It doesn't mean it's an exact or perfect term, for very certain.
: 'I originally meant no disrespect'!!!! You not only laugh
: at most of my statements, but you also refer to me as
: foolhardy.
No, I don't refer to people directly, at all. I called your statement foolhardy, not you.
: If it wasn't for the presence of some fact
: in this post, I'd almost regard it as a flame. As I
: said, I have no problem if people disagree with my
: opinion or when they prove me wrong. You not only did
: NOT prove me wrong,
at what? Which part are we talking about here?
: you also treated my like some
: ignorant fool, a tag I do not appreciate
I hardly did, and I do respect you, as any other Asylumite. If I can respect HGK, I can respect anyone :-).
: Why would
: people post in the Asylum when people like you think
: it is alright to openly ridicule their ideas as long
: as you do it with some tact and not scream 'OMFG, LR
: is a St00pid H00r mb'.
All right, that's quite enough. Now you're insulting me, nothing of which I'd ever do here. Just lay off already. If you keep at this, I'll have no choice but to respond in kind, so stop getting angry over my attempt, however inferior, at friendliness.
