: Undeath, in mine, is artificially reanimated life,
: naturally reanimated being performed by a god.
: Wow, so do Myrmidons and Shades :-). Heh, you kind of
: nicely disprove yourself there.
Actually, I didn't at all :) Look: undead beings have glimpses and fleeting memories of their past lives, whereas unliving beings have the same memories and same experiences because they're the same being, just in a dead body. I don't contradict anything in my hypothesis.
: For the love of god, "unlife" =
: "DEATH!" "Unalive" =
: "dead." Please, please, pick a better term
: for this.
That's your definition. I'm not going to alter terminology found in-game because you don't like it :)
: A Shade's Body is dead. So is Soublighter's, Shiver's, so
: are Myrmidons', Thrall, Soulless, et al. Anything
: potentially classifiable as "undead" dies
: when its natural life ceases to exist, therefore
: dieing; and equally, its continual animation is
: generated by artificial means of suspended false life.
I agree with certain parts of your theory above, but I do not believe that when something's body is altered it automactically becomes 'undead'.... undeath in my view is a possibility, not the case that happens all the time.
: The preservation of conscious mind of an undead creature
: has to do with its remaining brain's thinking
: potential, in part, but also by what spells are used
: by a necromancer to preserve such things.
: Shades need their minds to think through strategic
: situations, so their cognazance is understood.
: Myrmidons couldn't perform the complex, tactical moves
: they do, or move so quickly or be so in command of
: their senses, even to run away in a losing situation,
: if they didn't have a mind.
: Everything undead which can think, at least in part, for
: itself has such for a reason, and this is applicable
: to all situations. Why else would a spell be directly
: used to preserve such a thing?
If the creature was altered while still alive, it is unliving to me.
: Myrmidons were willing. So are Shades.
Exactly my point. Thank you!
: This is possible, but we actually have no idea if
: Mazzarin retained such thoughts, of how he was able to
: ellude destruction by the Light for two thousand
: years, or that's even the same Mazzarin.
We don't know anything for sure about Mazzarin, but the fact that someone with the same name is present on the level where the main character is the guy who killed him.... that should tell you something. :D
: Alric's head flying away at mach speed from the Great
: Devoid wasn't a mistake either. That doens't mean that
: lost plot arc was retained in the final story.
That was either an easter egg or a dropped story arc, in my perspective.
: Which I think is great! If we are able to generate
: workable, realistic theories and postulates which
: people can use as reference, that's a huge plus!
: That's what our goal is, I think, which is why
: arrogance and fighting for no more than such a sake is
: pointless here.
Yep, both definitions work for Shades and Avatars. It is like the Bible; if you look at the fall of the angels stories, you will realize that there were 2 falls: the first fall with the angels lead by Satan... and the second fall when the Watchers were tempted by women. First fall was the result of pride, second, lust. Two interpretations that work together, like the TFL and M:II definitions of shades.. they don't conflict, they work together.
: That was just me, and it was in reference to something
: completely different, utterly different in tone.
We have all done this one time or another, it comes with knowing so much about Myth :)
: Lol, it just so happens I believe such a thing :-).
: Nothing but GURPS even suggests otherwise, and it's
: more interesting and depressingly beautiful if the
: cycle is limited to the Great Heroes being doomed to
: return as Fallen Lords or Levelers. The converse isn't
: necessary.
: Yeah, and that's definitely more personalable a relation
: we can forge with the Light heroes of every age. The
: terrible see-saw isn't interesting anymore.
: Meh? Make up some term better than "unlife" and
: we'll talk :-). I suggest you go for the Latin
oo!
: Idea! If you don't get it, I will! :-)
Aww! Unlife is different, I say! Different! ;D
-Welly
