: It sounded like Paridise to me, especially as Aeneas
: thinks.
perhaps...
: Thank you for proving my point exactly :-). Association
: is key.
anytime. :D
: Right, does this disagree with me in some way?
No, that was merely a rationalisation: while Sili was right in saying that Troy in itself was not a trememdous military power, it was capable of standing up to Mycenae when supported by its allies.
: Ah, so you're beginning to understand why iron was used…
Iron was used, because it is, frankly, better ,in almost every way, than bronze. But it wasn't used in this period because they didn't have the required technology (and, if they did have iron, they certainly wouldn't have known that iron is incredibly brittle, and well nigh useless, unless it has carbon added. Although they might have "known" that it was incredibly brittle and well nigh useless. :) )
: Troy is described in a far more glorious manner.
It's an epic. Homer has to make Troy sound glorious because that gets him an audience.
: Roma is a goddess the Romans invented as the
: goddess-mother of Rome. She is associated with Venus
: and Gaia simultaneously. Venus was also a rather
: principle goddess in Rome, as opposed to Minerva
: (Athena) to Athens. The Athenians hold Athena as their
: mother-goddess as well.
: The kind of intra-pantheonal transivity I described above
: is also something very obvious in Norse Mythology
: (they had a lot of changes in their pantheon). An
: example of this is how Freya, a love and fertility
: goddess, is an aspect of Frigga, the mother-goddess
: (like Hera/Juno). The fertility aspect of a mother
: translates to the love and sexual aspect of a lover.
I think you may be confusing mother-godesses with parton deities. Athena especially seems very ill suited to the role, as her virginity is one of her primary characteristics (and she certainly didn't identify very much with other women).
: Why do you mention this?
: Also, in Egyptian lore, a race of red people worshiping a
: principle mother goddess were cast out by the paler
: people which united and settled Egypt. These
: Phoenecians (meaning "red race", just the
: same as Phoenix means "red", like of fire)
: then spread along the northern coast of Africa
: (Carthage) and into the Near East (Phoenecia). The new
: Egyptians emplaced a Father figure onto the Mother's
: Sun, therefore making Father Sun (an interesting
: combination of the symbol of the Mother with the
: Father).
: Also, another example of transitiveness among symbolisms
: involves the son figure to evolve and become the
: father figure, such as with Oedipus, and a thousand
: other tales of Primordial incest.
I was making a point, showing that the extensive cult of Isis indicates that the Egyptian pantheon does not as such worship a father deity over a mother (Isis certainly did much more interesting stuff than Osiris did. Stitching all the bits of his body back together for one.)
: What? What do you mean?
That there is no reason why the society of the writer cannot be an opponent of the ideal society. No win situation: great irony.
Martel.
