: I've often wondered about that myself, too scared to post
: a new theory here though, and mine didn't have as much
: thought in it as yours.
Thanks; I'm sure yours would have been fine.
: You actually lost interest in TFL? Shame on you.
In multiplayer, yes.
: Yah, I kinda miss the old guy. See my numerous posts on
: how Myth II didn't have that desperate feel that TFL
: managed to capture in almost every Journal entry.
Is it really a different guy? And I read your posts and happen to fully agree with them that TFL had desperity written all over it.
: So you are proposing that Alric isn't as good as we
: originally thought? I might have misread your post, so
: don't shoot me, but I have a slighlty differing
: theory.
Basically, yeah. Like any living heir to the throne, for instance Octavian Caesar, Alric wanted to get rid of any opposition, especially the more-powerful other members of The Nine, just as Octavian had Caesarion killed. And also just as King Alric became the most heraldic King and ruler in living memory, Octavian, renaming himself Augustus, for august, founded the Roman Empire by becoming Rome's first emperor and began the Golden Age of Rome.
: Let's assume that The Deceiver allied with Balor of his
: own volition.
Well, we can assume that, but that might make an ass out of you and me because Myrdred was "bent to Balor's will." He certainly didn't become Fallen willingly.
: He was a friend of Connacht in life (I'd
: assume), and so would have been fairly trusted.
I prefer to believe that Myrdred despised Connacht for making him a subbordinant when he before was living large as the leader of The Nine.
: Knowing about the cycle in which Saviour becomes
: Destroyer (as Alric did, I'd assume Myrdred, being a
: stronger mage, would have known of this cycle, seeing
: that Journeymen did), Myrdred feigned evilness and
: sided with Balor.
Now this is a good point. Perhaps this is why Myrdred didn't let himself die when bent to Balor's will, allowing himself to become The Deceiver.
: There are a number of clues which point to this. As you
: say, the Deceiver left the Watcher's arm out in the
: open, and he didn't seem in a hurry to kill Alric.
: Hell, he left him being guarded by a bunch of
: Soulless.
Lol, too true.
: So, although he and Alric might not have
: been in cohoots to start with, maybe they hit on some
: kind of agreement here.
That's what I meant; Dec had a plan from the beginning with The Head, controlling and talking through it. Alric didn't get in on it until Dec made a bargain with Alric.
: As one of Balor's Fallen
: Lords, Myrdred would have been privvy to some very
: interesting information. Remeber how Alric seems to
: suddenly know that Balor is Connacht out of the blue,
: before even seeing him up close?
Actually, Alric later states that he was interrogated by Balor when he was the Dark's prisoner. We can assume Dec said at least a word or two at some point. Why not have him bargain with Alric during this time?
: Methinks this is
: where Myrdred informed Alric of this cycle, and this
: got Alric thinking of a way to kill Balor.
I think they both knew once they figured out that Balor was Connacht, seeing him up close during the interrogation.
: But maybe
: Myrdred told him everything he needed to do. How to
: use the Eblis Stone, how to lure Balor into the trap
: (with Myrkridian standard) and how to make sure he
: never came back to life.
Absolutely; this would also explain how Alric was not, indeed, any incarnation of a former person, but that he was simply informed by Dec.
: It all fits! Or at least in my deluded mind it does.
Heh, it really does.
Sidenote: I really hope that Myrdred's connection with the Trow goes back to him defending them from Connacht
or something interesting that's at least mentioned.
: Myrdred, fully aware of the cycle, jumped at the chance
: to be a Fallen Lord. It would suit his name after all,
: to 'deceive' his former friend into believing that he
: had a loyal general.
I always thought that "The Deceiver" comes from the fact that he deceives his living enemies with his Binding Dream (and mb did a couple other deceitful things some time) into believing he was their master. More precisely, he forces deceit upon those enemies to have them deceive their own leaders and turn to Dec's control. I don't think there's actually a proper term from this besides "deceiver" (or maybe "deceivor").
: As a Fallen Lord, Myrdred had
: access to their plans and could also do whatever he
: wished to disrupt their attacks. Although he did have
: a rivallry with the Watcher, it was quite convenient
: that it flared up when it did. Maybe Myrdred saw the
: Light's vulnerable position and decided it'd be a good
: time to 'flare up' hostilities.
The Watcher attacked because he discovered Dec was trying to dig up his arm.
: During the capture,
: Myrdred informed Alric of his allegiance (why else
: would Alric know of the Deceiver's willingness to
: help, and the words to resurrect him?).
Oo! Good point about the words to say over him.
: Notice that we
: never saw Myrdred get killed. Maybe Alric just
: arranged for him to dissapear, cast some kind of dream
: on him to semi-kill him or put him into a comatose
: state.
Sure.
: Summing up for the third time;
: *Deceiver allies with Balor under the guise of loyalty
Well, we know that he didn't and that Balor forced him to, bending him to the Dark.
: *Uses his influence to learn from the others
Sure.
: *Captures Alric, informs him of the cycle etc. Let's him
: escape
Yeah.
: *Attacks Watcher when the Light is particularly
: vulnerable
Actually, it was The Watcher who attacked The Deceiver
when he figured out that Dec was trying to dig up his arm, since the previous summer, breaking through Rabican's army with great haste, killing Rabican, and aiming like a rocket at The Deceiver.
: *Gives away Watcher's arm
Aye.
: *Conveniently disspears
Yup.
: *Is dug up by Alric in a time of need, is strangely
: willing to help considering the Light is supposed to
: have dealt with him. Or was it the Watcher?
Yeah.
: *Dies killing Shiver, but basically wins the war
: single-handedly.
That's right.
: Maybe this is all just delusional ranting, but I don't
: find it that unusual. Comments?
It's very good, naturally. You brought up a couple good points there. I think we're quickly approaching another Asylumitic Solution (like with Shades and Avatara). :-)
