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Re: Undead Fallen

Posted By: SiliconDream =PN= (as3-1-0.HIP.Berkeley.EDU)
Date: 8/4/2001 at 4:29 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Undead Fallen (Forrest of B.org)

: But GURPS suggests this on the basis that maybe
: Shiver/Culwyeh and The Voiceless One/Ravanna are the
: same, which M3 seems to invalidate - Ravanna is Light
: in M3, but there are Wights, who were supposed to be
: created by Culwyeh, who is supposed to be a
: reincarnation (not ressurrection, reincarnation) of
: Ravanna, who was cast into Eternal Sleep.
: So GURPS is suggesting that The Voiceless One was
: reincarnated as Shiver who was in turn, um... whatever
: you call what Tramist's Mirror does (some form of
: "ressurected") for her third life in M2. I
: suppose the Ravanna in M3 could still be the Voiceless
: One, if you ignore the whole bit about Shiver being
: Culwyeh and the wights problem... but this is why I'm
: not talking about M3 anymore.

Culwyeh is described by GURPS as the ancient name for Shiver, though. And Ravanna/The Voiceless One is described as being a contemporary of Balor. So I think it's saying that she was Culwyeh in her first life, Ravanna/The Voiceless One/Shiver in her second (she can have three names if she wants, I guess) and Shiver/Ravanna in her third.

Myth 3 might be using this model, adding in the additional wrinkle that people commonly confuse what Connacht did and what Balor did...so it could be that Myth 3's Ravanna is a reincarnation or a Connacht/Avatara-assisted resurrection (GURPS uses "lives" very loosely) of Culwyeh, temporarily good until Balor turned her evil again. Otherwise, I guess Myth 3 is taking GURPS' suggestion that "maybe Shiver and Ravanna are the same" and responding "maybe not." :-)

Of course, if you ignore GURPS on this matter, there's no hard evidence that Shiver and Culwyeh are at all connected (other than that we first see Wights in Shiver's army.) So it could be that Myth 3's Ravanna is on her first life, then mutilated or made unliving to produce Myth 2's Shiver, and that Culwyeh's someone completely different.

--SiliconDream, who will destroy whole cities if he doesn't see design documents soon

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