: Certain Fallen are Undead, or at least Un-something.
: Shades are, of course,
shades aren't really any of the six Fallen Lords.
: and Soulblighter's sufficiently
: Un to be vulnerable to healing.
Although soulblighter was affected by healing in TFL, it didn't kill him. he just fled in the murder of crows form. the point i'm trying to make is SB isn't undead, but he isn't 100% living either... he's in a warped state of life of his own category. i believe he does not qualify as undead or unliving, rather a 'warped living' of some kind that resulted from the 'human sacrifices and self-mutilation' spoken about in the manual.
: Myth II Shiver's
: described in GURPS as possibly falling in the Undead
: class, and to judge from her TFL appearance she may
: have been Undead then as well.
her appearance in TFL was that of a very beautiful woman, which is why she was so vain. that tends to make me think she was living like everyone else, and not a rotting, hideous corpse :)
: As for the Watcher, I
: could definitely see a necromancer of his stature
: preferring to exist as one of the walking dead he
: finds so interesting. But, again, we can't check for
: rotting eyeballs under his helmet, so who knows?
a state of walking dead seems to make more limits than openings for a person's abilities, certainly the previous owners of shade corpses were much more powerful than their shade form (we can see this clearly, as in the case of Mazzarin, who was the most powerful light avatar when he was alive, but in shade form the most impressive thing his body could do was only cast dispersals, make undead, and swing a sword around). so if the watcher is undead, he wouldn't have been as powerful as he had appeared in TFL, he would have most likely just been another Shade. again, as with SB and Shiver, he has just prolonged his life like other dark, yet living, archmages in a state of warped life, but not undeath/unlife forms.
: Heron Guard magic is as Light as can be, and they're
: truly immortal (or so it seems.) Myrdred, conversely,
: looks to possess longevity rather than solid
: immortality, even after several centuries of Dark
: alignment. So I don't think Light vs. Dark is a big
: issue here.
right, i think myrdred was alive as well.
: Way I see it, a few beings like the Trow simply don't
: have any aging mechanism built in. Certain humans have
: such powerful innate recuperative abilities that, when
: sent into overdrive by root rituals, they can
: neutralize the aging mechanisms. More ordinary humans
: can't do this, but they can use archmage-level magics
: to slow the functional aspects of aging to a crawl.
: Finally, if you want to be truly immortal and you
: don't have the endurance of a Heron, you have to bite
: the bullet and take on an Unliving form.
although is makes sense in a perspective from the outside, i personally don't think the six Fallen Lords or Balor were Undead/Unliving, but were as alive as alric and balin and mauriac, but in warped manners typical to Dark archmages.
: --SiliconDream
-Welly
