: ahh well technically the Manual (not the narration) isn't
: told in either perspective: it is an objective point
: of view which says things like "you are the
: Light..." and "you must stop the minions of
: the Dark..." so technically when this objective
: source lists humans and fir'Bolgs and Dwarves as
: Living, then they should be considered so in at least
: more than four points of view. plus the Myrmidons want
: to tear the flesh of the living, which means they,
: being in a state of Unbeing, and also being Dark,
: consider the humans and fir'bolgs and dwarves to be
: Living.
: plus, there is no evidence that the trow consider us to
: be unalive. it is not known the trow made the humans
: or even the Oghres for that matter... all that is
: known is that the Trow enslaved the oghres, who were
: creations of Wyrd considered by the trow to be lesser.
: Wyrd makes Living things, Nyx makes trowy clay things
: that are alive too but in a different manner. the
: dream of unlife warps the life of Wyrd creations into
: a state of unbeing but evidence it has any effect on
: the trow is nonexistent.
Saying "you are the Light and they are the Dark" is awfully subjective in itself. I mean, the average guy on your side doesn't have any greater luminosity than the average guy on the other side. "Light" and "Dark" are just labels that the Mythworlders made up. I'd argue that terms like "unliving" and "undead" are also subjectively-assigned labels. The manual represents the commonly-held consensus beliefs of the Mythworlders, but those beliefs can still turn out to be wrong or incomplete (as when the Deceiver turned out to have survived the Great War).
Besides, I didn't say that the Trow were *right* to consider Humans not to be alive. Nor did I say that they hadn't changed their minds since then. I'm sure most everybody in the modern Mythworld thinks the Younger Races are alive, since most everybody *is* a member (or a former member, if undead etc.) of the Younger Races. :-) The Trow could still have thought of Humans as unliving back when they named the Dream of Unlife.
Yeah, I know there's no evidence for this. That's why I don't post this theory very often. :-) Still, evidence for *any* given effect of the Dream of Unlife is nonexistent. You could credit it with the creation of the Myrmidons...or the creation of the Younger Races...or the creation of the Mahir...or the near-extinction of the chickens at the hands of Chicken Berel, if you wanted to. Nothing in Myth lore will establish that you're right or wrong.
And consider the infonuggets we have. If Bahl'al was correct, the Dream of Unlife lies in the sunken Trow city of Si'anwon. What can we glean from this? Well:
Unless someone dove underwater and left the Dream in Si'anwon, it must have been there before the city sank. This we know occurred before the Age of Man, and apparently there was no more easily accessible place to find it, which suggests that humanity knew little or nothing about this Dream. So the available information on the Dream--including the name--probably came from the Trow. And whenever the Dream was used (and it was almost certainly used--how else would they have known what to name it?) was before the Age of Man. Which means an Elder Race used it--not necessarily the Trow, perhaps the Callieach or another race.
So this Dream was used before the Younger Races arose...and was probably never used afterwards...and based on what it did the Trow opted to call it the Dream of Unlife. What possible known event could its use correspond to, then? Why, the creation of the Younger Races themselves. All circumstantial evidence, but it still fits together amusingly.
: lol i know...TFL was a great game to play, so desperate
: and so hopeless, M2 didn't have that magic. though M2
: was technically a better game, some of the magic
: wasn't there
I'm one of the few that prefers M2's plotline--same as with Marathon 2. I like happy games. :-)
--SiliconDream
