: They look a little affected by time to me. :-) Withered,
: dry, jaws and eyes rotted away...classified as undead
: in GURPS and known to be killed by healing. A fairly
: crappy form of immortality when compared to, say, the
: Heron Guards or the Avatara. So if the Dream of Unlife
: was used to make Myrmidons, I don't think it makes
: dead beings into living ones, or living ones into
: immortal living ones--rather, it makes living beings
: into unliving ones.
see, i needed to hear your side of the arguement explained in depth, like the above, instead of the simple 'refute my theory and provide some evidence' replies that were shoveled my way before. :P now things are beginning to make sense to me.
: The way I see it, there's a basic state of
: "Unbeing", characterized by not aging, not
: needing to breathe, being killed by healing, and so
: forth. Low-level necromantic spells can convert
: corpses into this state, creating Undead. But it takes
: a Dream to accomplish the more difficult task of
: converting *living* creatures into this state without
: killing them first, creating Unliving beings like
: Myrmidons and Shades who retain their former minds
: more or less intact.
so are you saying that the Dream of Unlife might have been used to do that very thing, to make some Shades and the Myrms into their present state While They Were Still Living? so i guess I'd better stop referring to 'immortal' state but rather the ageless state of Unbeing. Right?
: All this, of course, is assuming that the Dream of Unlife
: actually was found and used in recent eras.
assuming it was found yes, which is what i still believe. it was then used to make the Myrms and some Shades like Mazzarin apparently.
: I once
: proposed that it was only used back in the Axe Age:
: the Trow or the Callieach used it to create the
: Younger Races.
: See, I figured the Trow wouldn't think of humans or other
: Younger Races as truly alive. After all, the Trow are
: immortal, super-tough, and don't need to eat or drink.
: But humans and dwarves and deer and lizards are soft,
: fragile constructs that require periodic refueling and
: eventually break down. That's not life--that's Unlife.
: Or so a Trow might think, anyway--and since the Dream
: of Unlife was supposed to be in a Trow city, chances
: are it was named and used by the Trow, right?
: I'm not sure I can take this particular theory seriously,
: but it's fun to expound. :-)
this one to me is interesting but I cannot really consider it to be true because the humans and the Dwarves are Always listed as Living or Light. therefore if they are living, they aren't... err, in a state of unlife. :)
: I always viewed his magics as basically
: space/time-related. He's got some sort of link to the
: Tain, which is the Mother Of All Space/Time-Twisting
: Artifacts, and he defends himself via teleportation.
: Plus the Krids he created seem to be fairly ordinary
: living beings that eat and breathe and so forth--not
: undead or nearly-undead creatures like Myrmidons. And
: if the Summoner had the Dream of Unlife, than
: presumably Soulblighter and/or Shiver would have had
: it too. And they'd all be recreating a lot more beings
: than just the Krids--resurrected Shades, Trow, Fallen
: Lords, Dark Champions like Fang-Grinder and so forth
: would all have added greatly to the cause. Heck, they
: could just walk over every battlefield and raise all
: the dead Ghols and Brigands and Mauls. Their army
: could never fall.
interesting mb you're right that the summoner did't have the unlife dream. the time dream he has then would be his closely guarded secret, and when he died it undoubetly died with him.
: Anyway, for these assorted reasons I think the Krids were
: resurrected via time magic rather than necromancy; the
: combination of the Tain's peculiar characteristics and
: the Summoner's innate talents allowed him to take a
: Krid skull and "turn back time" around it,
: reversing decomposition and recreating the original
: creature. Damn impressive, but not the Dream of
: Unlife.
makes sense to me now. impressive is right, actually, more impressive than the dream of unlife if you ask me. good thing that 'stid wasnt born in the TFL timeframe.
: --SiliconDream
-Welly
