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Re: these kind of debates :)

Posted By: Discordia (cx312661-a.santab1.ca.home.com)
Date: 7/20/2001 at 10:42 p.m.

In Response To: Re: these kind of debates :) (Welly)

: hmm yup thats true but perhaps thrall were his first use
: for the dream, then he created the shades; there is no
: evidence as to who created the shades. although most
: conjecture it was Balor i think shades existed long
: before him and therefore most likely were started by
: Bahl'al (before Balor changed his name most probably).
: so in a way the most powerful sorceror of the time did
: make the most powerful Shade, using the still static
: dream to his later experienced personal capability
: after the initial success of thralls.

Yes, but that still makes it a dynamic thing, which is what my point is. If it would have multiple uses and results, it's dynamic.

: yup the dark do have a bad history of backstabbing. i
: think it is a genetic thing. Thankfully, today there
: is a new drug, called AntiDark, which helps treat
: backstabbing and prevent future backstabbing! side
: effects may include vomiting, stomach cramping, severe
: internal hemorrhage, cholera, headache, nausea,
: psychotic ramblings, sudden death, prolonged
: suffering, gangrene, and sudden sex-change.

Sudden sex change? Aiya!

: ah that's because of the previous owner of the corpse was
: a much greater / powerful individual, and the dark
: magics that animate the corpse retain some of those
: abilities.

But we have seen other forms of undead. For example thrall versus bonemen. Bonemen are much more powerful, stronger and faster. Soulless are also better, but in a different way. Undead can be stronger than others.

: it is true that he wasn't the best battle mage, but he
: was good at something that allowed him to survive
: capture and live through the Great War, unlike the
: others Nine. whatever this was i think in M2 give him
: the title as most powerful light mage for that time.

Heh, I think that that's probably because all the other Light Archmages died during the great war. Also I'm almost certain that the Deciever was more powerful, magic-wise, than him.

: hehe i don't disagree with everything GURPS says
: somewhere in a previous post i classify my personal
: system for GURPS statements
: canon - game supported statements
: deutero-canon - debatable stuff that people differ about
: apochrypha / peseudopigrapha- errors and plain outright
: mistakes

Aye, but this is deutero-canon as you put it, so it's not too valid. I mean, we never hear anything about auras in-game. It is a handy explanation for the differing FX for Dispersal Dream, but we aren't sure ;)

: true he didn't trust them alot.
: because he didn't trust them with that one, not because
: he didn't share any secrets i believe.

But that's my point. That spell would be just as useful to his armies as the Unlife Dream. In fact we don't know what it was, but if what you say is true than the reanimation spell is a _dream_. The most powerful form of magic in Myth. IMHO they had those sk33lz before they met Balor. Why would he divulge some secrets and horde others?

-Disc

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