: hehe yup, these kind of debates are the most interesting
: because both sides know they have a valid arguement.
: but hey this is what makes Myth different, people care
: about the storyline and not just play it and then
: forget it. whether or not you and i agree on some
: aspect of the myth game, we still are comrades in a
: *slowly* dying race of TFL vets.
: im sure we can agree on That :)
Ehehe. Can't wait for MWA to jump start the fan base again ;)
: ah i didnt know you considered Bahl'al their first
: creator i just thought you considered it a
: possibility. makes more sense to me now :)
: i understand what you mean more fully now. i still think
: it is their flavor because that is their origin :)
Aye, read Forrest's post on "Children of Bahl'al" above
: hehe i think i know how you feel: why should all the
: other dreams be relatively unchangable but this one do
: so much? i think the dream itself is the same,
: depending on your skill and you personal abilities, it
: changes on how it affects the corpse it is casted
: upon. so the dream is as static as the others, but its
: users vary greatly. see what im trying to get at? i'm
: not good with words but i hope you can translate that
: mess :P
But if it's a static dream for each person, it's still not static. Bahl'al was one of the most powerful mages so by your argument he should only have created the powerful variety, but by the fact that he can make several different kinds… makes it dynamic.
: who knows if these people gave each other their secrets
: during MWA, just combined their armies? like someone
: had only the proto-soulless and someone else (Bahl'al)
: had only the thrall, and those two guys combined them,
: just short of sharing the secrets
I haven't seen it's story yet but it seems to me that the Evils of that time were much more fragmented. Shiver, the Watcher, Moagim Reborn, the Trow and the Myrkridia were all not aligned (although we don't know about Shiver/Watcher they didn't seem to have a history in anything we've heard so far). In fact at several times they opposed eachother (Trow and Myrks).
: shiver must have been older than we think then. soulless
: are in the screenshots so we'll have to accept
: whatever MJ comes up with :) finally some closure...
: coming Soon™
: true, but i don't really think a super form of undead can
: exist. super corpses? i don't think there can be a
: Quality issue here because a corpse is a corpse (of
: course, of course! hehe remember that jingle)
: therefore the only changes can be quantitative.
: although the nature of that corpse can be altered
: (ghast for newer corpses, thrall for older etc.).
Some undead are more equal than others ;). Just look at the difference between Shades and Thrall.
: what we see in the game is not nearly everything in the
: Myth world. I really really believe that Alric's
: dispersal dream ability is much more advanced than
: that of a shade's dispersal dream. Although in game it
: isn't, i dont think a dead avatar can best alric. just
: doesn't seem right at all, cuz alric is one of the
: strongest avatara, perhaps stronger than Mazzarin (who
: was strongest possibly only in the Wind? age). Point
: im trying to make is that Alric has better dispersal
: dream abilities than shades if Myth was a real
: universe.
But that may not be so. What we see in game is that they're equal in power. This does take precendence. Plus Alric wasn't the best spell caster. He was probably the most brilliant, but not the most powerful of the Avatara.
: hmm yeah you got point there. perhaps the Baron
: specialized and focused all his abilities on that one
: ability with the dream, whereas the Warlocks do all
: kinds of lesser spells and also other things like
: trading their own souls. Lack of soul might mean lack
: of Aura, which is likely Vital in dream casting (like
: dispersals). the baron has a soul for all we know and
: therefore might be able to cast the dream of unlife.
But auras are a thing from GURPS ;).
: perhaps he kept those two for himself because those were
: his in the first place. He Had to have passed around
: the ability to make thrall because thrall are in every
: Fallen's army. i dont think he just let the Watcher
: make them then divide them up, that would take too
: long. he could at least quadruple the amount of thrall
: being made by sharing that secret with SB, SHiver, and
: Myrdred.
But that's why I'm saying that it's not a dream, but rather a well-known nercromantic spell. Balor obviously didn't trust his subordinates too much. Had he given the planar travel spell to them, they could have summoned even more fetch or even more powerful stuff. Yet he didn't.
-Disc
