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i think this explains alot

Posted By: Welly (spider-mtc-ta083.proxy.aol.com)
Date: 7/19/2001 at 12:05 a.m.

In Response To: Re: summary of debate (Lord Raven)

: Zombies (originally from the Hawaiin islands?) were not
: risen from the dead by magic though, and so possessed
: some form of sentience, no matter how base.

i suppose you can see it that way, considering a very very Low level of sentience does exist, which is not present in Thrall at all.

: Then technically it isn't life at all.

yup, that's why im debating why they called it "unlife"... a complete lack of life, but a moving body. see my point?

: Life is typically
: related to free will, breathing etc. This is more like
: a form of puppetry, in which a person's body is in the
: control of a master. A true example of a Thrall if
: ever there was one.

yup, puppetry is the perfect word for Thrall and Wights and the other undead in myth mb except Shades and Myrms. im glad you used 'puppetry' it fits perfectly!

: I suppose so, although I am of the belief that he hasn't
: yet found the Dream of Unlife. Maybe TWA will solve
: our arguments.

M3 better solve our arguements! I'd be happy even if they proved me wrong, at least there will be some closure to all this :]

: Even if the Watcher did discover it, the real question
: is, did he pass it on to the other Fallen Lords and
: Balor?

i believe he did: [in no particular order] Soulblighter got the dream and experiented with Soulless, shiver got it and did the wight deal, Balor got it and messed with Myrms and perhaps even Shades etc.

: If it did more than create Thrall (as Fobo
: argues, but he says it wasn't discovered), then why
: didn't Soulblighter use this to his advantage.

he did: soulless

: We know
: that Wights were created by Shiver, before the Dream
: was supposedly discovered, and that Soulblighter or
: Shiver (see above thread) created Soulless. The only
: remaining Undead are Shades, Ghasts (which are part of
: the Wight process), Bonemen and Myrmidons. I don't
: know the origins of the Bonemen, but Myrmidons were
: Balor's creation and I'd assume that Shades were as
: well. If the Dream of Unlife is responsible for the
: creation of all Undead, then has it been lost again
: due to the Watcher and Soulblighter dying?

i think it was lost when SB died, and probably will be until another Dark Lord comes, if any, as the Leveler.

: LR

-Welly

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