: The principal source for Shiver's age is GURPS. It
: identifies her with Culwyeh--a name so old that all
: but the Ghôls and a few necromancers have forgotten
: it--and says that she was an archmage for "untold
: time" before she joined Balor.
: A couple of other Myth texts provide supporting evidence.
: Pre-release info listed The Voiceless One (now
: generally identified with Shiver) as one of the 3
: Lords who were "ancient evils," and the
: Tales scene with Shiver's thoughtblast including an
: image of Moagim suggests that she's old enough to
: remember him.
: However, no source that I know of suggests that Shiver's
: older than the Watcher. GURPS places more emphasis on
: the Watcher's age than that of any other Lord. And
: when the TFL narrator's talking about the oldest
: Fallen he knows, it's in reference to the
: Watcher/Deceiver conflict.
: --SiliconDream
Well GURPS is all right and nice but also WRONG. GURPS shmurps... who cares its just a little 3rd party product. If i make SMURPS i dont think anyone will say HEY! THAZ RIGHT! so skip it with me, i accept facts only. And from all the texts in Myth 1 and some personal feeling i got when playing it so long ago i *think* the watcher is oldest.
BTW: I know what GURPS means so dont start it!
