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Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 Industries
By:MacGyver10
Date: 9/6/16 6:30 pm
In Response To: Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 Industries (Gravemind)

: There's not a whole lot I think 343i does better than Bungie did in regards
: to Halo. They did some great things with Forge in Halo 5, but that's the
: only thing I can think of off the top of my head.

I'd say Forge (by far), free content/dlc delivery, expanded universe and merchandising. I know two of those have nothing to do with the games, but as a Halo fan I've enjoyed the novels (let's just agree to forget the Escalation comics), IP-crossovers (warthog/Forza, Arbiter/KI) and options in merchandise that just weren't there with Bungie as much (Nicole/DOA and grunt plushie aside).

: Meanwhile, they still do some things worse than Bungie did. For example,
: their art design leaves much to be desired, and I think both Sabre and
: Blur have a better understanding of classical Halo aesthetics than 343i
: does. Also, Warzone and the REQ system, while great in concept, often feel
: more like a microtransaction delivery/revenue-generating system rather
: than a gametype and customization system optimized for fun and enjoyment.

I've grown to put up with the art direction, though like you, I believe 85% of what 343 has done pales in comparison to the original art. There's a difference between recreating (using new tools to update old designs), re-imagining (using old designs to update with new designs) and redesigning (ignoring old designs and creating new designs), and unfortunately, 343 has redesigned more than they've re-imagined or recreated.

Every game these days will have some kind of microtransaction system in place. It's here to stay. I feel the REQ system is honestly the best, possible option we'd have out there. The only time I use REQs is to work on commendations, otherwise I'd be 'REQless' in my playtime.

: Some things are just... different , and not necessarily better or worse.
: When it comes to gameplay, Halo 4 & 5 had gameplay changes that bugged
: me a lot. Halo 4's random ordnance drops and rank-based leveling system
: were terrible, and Halo 5 is simply too fast-paced for and out-of-place in
: the series, and 343i let pro gamers have way too much input, plus 343i
: seems to never want to have all gametypes present in a Halo game at launch
: (Halo 5 is still missing Oddball, KotH, and Race 10 months after launch).
: However, Halo 2, 3, and Reach also had various issues with their gameplay
: as well. Halo 2 had awful balancing in MP, plus the original Xbox version
: was plague with bugs and cheating, Halo 3's weapons were mushy-feeling and
: inconsistent because of reduced aim assist combined with removal of
: hitscan, and Reach's armor abilities were not very well-executed.

Halo 4 multiplayer was 343 trying to hard to be different, and it was horrible because of it. I think the spartan abilities were where Halo needed to go to have a chance at relevancy in a world of slides, wall-running, double jumps and teleporting.

Lack of gametypes to me has become even more obvious with the success of Halo 5's Forge. It's a glaring omission that I hope they finally correct before the end of the year.

: As for non-gameplay things, the Staten-penned Halo games (CE, Halo 2, and
: ODST) had really good stories, but Halo 3's was kinda meh and Reach was a
: canon-wrecking mess. 343i's stories are decent enough, but at the same
: time they decided to completely ignore all previous canon that all but
: stated that humans and Forerunners are the same species. 343i writers also
: write the games as if they expect the players to have read all the novels
: and comics (Halo 4 was worse about this than Halo 5). 343i and Bungie were
: both mixed bags in regards to storytelling, but in distinctly different
: ways.

As someone else said, I prefer the humanization of Chief that 343 took with Halo 4, but the story that surrounded his personal journey was left to only lore-lovers and fans of the EU. I felt Halo 5 did a better job of crafting a plot than Halo 4 did, but the plot itself and focus on Locke left me wanting more. Not to mention Locke as a character just bugs me for some reason. Give me the rest of Osiris, but even Locke's live action mini-series didn't make me care enough about his character.

I never cared too much for Halo CE's story, but Halo 2 and ODST were the pinnacle in storytelling for me, and the main reason I'm buying 'ReCore' purely off Joe Staten's involvement.

: I still think Halo might have been better off had Bungie stayed with MS and
: kept working on Halo simply because maintaining the status quo would have
: likely meant fewer radical changes in game design philosophy, art design,
: music, and storytelling, but at the same time I think 343i, with the
: proper shifts in focus and strategy, can better live up to the legacy
: Bungie left them.

I wonder about that though. We see what Bungie has become post-Halo and how so many of the employees that made Halo great have left or been kicked out. I think Bungie would probably be screwing up the game as much as 343, but in completely different ways. As you said, 343 has a chance to live up to the legacy with shifting things around a little bit (have Joe Staten at least consult with the story or give Jeff Easterling a bigger role), but hopefully we'll see progress soon!

- MacGyver10


Messages In This Thread

ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesSIX min WHISTLE9/5/16 3:02 pm
     Funny how they glossed over Reach *NM*The BS Police9/5/16 3:56 pm
           Re: Funny how they glossed over Reachuberfoop9/5/16 3:59 pm
                 Did you know that it was made by waver birds? *NM*scarab9/6/16 8:59 am
                       weaver DOH! *NM*scarab9/6/16 9:00 am
                 Re: Funny how they glossed over Reachstabbim9/8/16 9:53 am
                       *blast from the past*davidfuchs9/9/16 11:33 am
           Re: Funny how they glassed over ReachUrban Reflex9/7/16 2:09 am
     Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesDHalo9/5/16 11:27 pm
           Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesMacGyver109/6/16 11:18 am
           Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesGravemind9/6/16 2:13 pm
                 Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesDHalo9/6/16 5:27 pm
                       Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesGravemind9/6/16 5:33 pm
                             Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesDHalo9/6/16 6:12 pm
                                   Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesGrimBrother One9/7/16 8:11 pm
                                         Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesQuirel9/8/16 2:51 am
                                         Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesMacGyver109/8/16 12:01 pm
                                               Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesDHalo9/9/16 6:16 pm
                                               Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesQuirel9/11/16 4:27 pm
                                                     Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 Industriesdavidfuchs9/12/16 9:17 am
                                               Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesGravemind9/12/16 9:58 am
                 Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesMacGyver109/6/16 6:30 pm
                       Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesGravemind9/6/16 7:32 pm
                             Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesTuckerscreator9/6/16 9:25 pm
                                   Microtransactions rant. *long*Gravemind9/7/16 2:00 am
                                         Re: WhalesTuckerscreator9/7/16 3:51 pm
                 Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesThe BS Police9/7/16 2:50 am
                       A quick correctionThe BS Police9/7/16 2:53 am
                       Not mutually exclusive. *NM*Quirel9/7/16 3:04 am
                       Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesSchedonnardus9/7/16 10:28 am
                             Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesDHalo9/7/16 12:41 pm
                             Talking of Precursors and sins of the father...scarab9/7/16 2:17 pm
                                   Re: Talking of Precursors and sins of the father..Quirel9/8/16 2:57 am
                                         Re: Talking of Precursors and sins of the father..davidfuchs9/9/16 11:37 am
                                               what do you think she did? *NM*scarab9/9/16 3:37 pm
                                                     Re: what do you think she did?davidfuchs9/11/16 10:32 am
                                                           so you think 343's canon isn't consistent?scarab9/12/16 5:34 am
                                                                 Re: so you think 343's canon isn't consistent?davidfuchs9/12/16 9:15 am
                                                                       That's a contradictionscarab9/12/16 9:40 am
                                                                             Re: That's a contradictiondavidfuchs9/12/16 9:57 am
                             Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 Industriesthebruce09/7/16 2:23 pm
                       Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesGravemind9/7/16 11:36 am
                             Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesDHalo9/7/16 12:51 pm
                                   "You ARE Gorilla" said Sparkyscarab9/7/16 1:54 pm
                                         Re: "You ARE Gorilla" said SparkyThe BS Police9/7/16 2:13 pm
                                               Re: "You ARE Gorilla" said Sparkyscarab9/7/16 2:25 pm
                                                     Re: "You ARE Gorilla" said SparkyDHalo9/7/16 3:48 pm
                                                           Re: "You ARE Gorilla" said Sparkyscarab9/7/16 5:32 pm
                                                                 Re: "You ARE Gorilla" said Sparkythebruce09/8/16 9:35 am

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