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Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...
By:Kermit
Date: 7/8/16 7:46 pm
In Response To: Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating... (General Vagueness)

: Sexual objectification is not the cause of sexual inequality, but I don't
: think I've ever seen anyone saying it was the cause (and if you have, I'd
: like to know specifically where, not just "oh some person I assume
: uses Tumblr"). The claim is that they're connected , which I think
: is a claim that has merit-- the different ways women are treated versus
: how men are treated have something to do with each other , don't you
: think?

Let’s change my word “because “ to “is connected to” then (a reminder: the only inequality I mentioned in my original post—unequal pay—is a lie). Connecting video games to bad behavior has been tried for years, and I say video games, to whatever extent they teach anything, more often teach good things. When people start criticizing my entertainment and overstating its negative effects on me, I usually call those people puritanical scolds.

: I also wouldn't jump to say it's a new Puritanical drive or whatever you
: want to call it-- which, let's be honest, you mean "modern
: feminism", and a specific brand of it at that-- rather than good
: old-fashioned body shame.
I thought I honestly made that clear to Cody, and I’m not the first person to refer to modern feminism as puritanical (cf. Paglia).
:Microsoft isn't Disney but that doesn't mean
: they don't have a lot of the same pressures to make everything
: family-friendly, or an inclination to bow to those pressures to try to
: make more money. Have you forgotten the arguments that were had here
: because someone thought nudity was bad in a very old-school way?

Nope. I thought the bruce had good points—is that who you’re referring to? The new Cortana was sexual to a point where she was distracting, and made the game problematic for younger players.

: (oh and by the way, great job bringing up a separate issue, and one that's
: losing steam because it's been debunked so many times, that muddies the
: waters; even greater job calling people "indoctrinated", and
: thus basically calling them out, but not engaging them directly)

I don’t want to engage them directly. To give the subject its due would require going places that I don’t think is appropriate for this forum. And by the way, I wasn’t referring to anyone here. I didn’t read much of the thread—I was stating my reaction to the video.

: I still don't buy this. She looks more real in Halo 4, that doesn't mean she
: looks more nude.

She does to me. I didn’t really mind it, frankly, but I’m not a parent.

:Anyone who draws or paints or indeed does 3D modeling can
: tell you a thing or a character doesn't have to look real to resemble
: something, and making something look more real doesn't automatically make
: it more closely resemble whatever it nominally looks like. (Animation is a
: treasure trove of things that look completely wrong if you make them look
: more real.) All they did was give her a new face, give her more polygons,
: and make her look frumpy instead of perky. If anything they were probably
: trying to de-sexualize her by avoiding the dominant Western male ideals of
: what female beauty is. (so yes, I'm going to want a citation on her being
: modeled after Playboy Playmates)

PAX 2012. I’m not going to argue with you about what you find frumpy or perky, but I think your last non-parenthetical sentence is insane.


Messages In This Thread

Lingerie is not ArmorCody Miller6/26/16 8:39 pm
     Re: Lingerie is not Armordavidfuchs6/26/16 10:38 pm
           Re: Lingerie is not ArmorCody Miller6/27/16 12:57 am
                 halo 5, halo warsscarab6/27/16 2:38 am
                 Re: Lingerie is not ArmorMacGyver106/27/16 11:38 am
                       Re: Lingerie is not ArmorCody Miller6/27/16 1:35 pm
                             Re: Lingerie is not ArmorThe BS Police6/27/16 1:42 pm
                             Re: Lingerie is not ArmorMacGyver106/27/16 3:54 pm
                             Re: Lingerie is not ArmorGeneral Vagueness6/28/16 9:16 pm
     Re: Lingerie is not ArmorThe BS Police6/26/16 11:33 pm
           I care ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ *NM*kidtsunami6/27/16 9:22 am
           Re: Lingerie is not ArmorNikko B2016/27/16 1:20 pm
                 Re: Lingerie is not ArmorCody Miller6/27/16 1:37 pm
                 Re: Lingerie is not ArmorThe BS Police6/27/16 1:39 pm
                 Re: Lingerie is not ArmorThe Loot7/12/16 7:14 am
     Re: Lingerie is not ArmorStretchy6/27/16 1:41 pm
     That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...munky-0586/27/16 5:51 pm
           Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...thebruce06/28/16 9:22 am
                 Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...munky-0586/28/16 10:13 am
                       Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...thebruce06/28/16 2:11 pm
                             Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...munky-0586/28/16 2:33 pm
                                   Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...thebruce06/28/16 6:38 pm
                                   Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...bluerunner6/29/16 2:23 pm
                                         Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...thebruce06/29/16 6:50 pm
                                               Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...bluerunner6/29/16 10:22 pm
                                                     "I say Zoe gets nekkid... I could get nekkid." *NM*munky-0586/30/16 9:07 am
                                                     Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...Quirel7/1/16 12:48 am
                                                           "Woo-woo Wu"? *NM*MacGyver107/1/16 10:51 am
                                                                 This...Louis Wu7/7/16 3:02 pm
           Re: Very disappointedkidtsunami6/29/16 12:49 pm
                 Re: Very disappointedGeneral Vagueness6/29/16 4:27 pm
                       Re: Very disappointedCody Miller7/2/16 6:42 pm
                             Re: Very disappointedmunky-0587/2/16 7:28 pm
                                   Re: Very disappointedTuckerscreator7/2/16 7:32 pm
                                         Re: Very disappointeddavidfuchs7/2/16 7:39 pm
                                               Re: Very disappointedTuckerscreator7/2/16 7:52 pm
                                                     Re: Very disappointedQuirel7/2/16 9:29 pm
                                                     Re: Very disappointeddavidfuchs7/2/16 9:59 pm
                                                           ^This guy said it better. *NM*Quirel7/3/16 4:30 am
                                                           Re: Very disappointedCody Miller7/3/16 4:58 pm
                                                                 Re: Very disappointeddavidfuchs7/3/16 10:50 pm
                                                                       Re: Very disappointedCody Miller7/4/16 4:33 am
                                                                             Re: Very disappointeddavidfuchs7/4/16 9:47 am
                                                                             Re: Very disappointedthebruce07/4/16 10:54 am
                                                                                   Re: Very disappointedTuckerscreator7/4/16 2:10 pm
                                                                 Re: Very disappointedThe Loot7/12/16 7:18 am
                                                     Re: Very disappointedCody Miller7/3/16 4:44 pm
                             Re: Very disappointedTuckerscreator7/2/16 7:31 pm
                                   Re: Very disappointedQuirel7/2/16 9:02 pm
                                         Re: Very disappointedTuckerscreator7/4/16 2:09 pm
                                   Re: Very disappointedthebruce07/4/16 11:00 am
                                         Re: Very disappointedTuckerscreator7/4/16 2:12 pm
                                               Someone doesn't remember Reach... *NM*davidfuchs7/4/16 3:24 pm
                                                     yes that had the best butts in all of Haloscarab7/4/16 3:35 pm
                                                           Re: yes that had the best butts in all of HaloGrizzlei7/4/16 4:07 pm
                                                                 fem.six.butt.should.be.canon.net *NM*scarab7/4/16 4:28 pm
                                                                 Re: yes that had the best butts in all of Halodavidfuchs7/4/16 4:41 pm
                                                                       Re: yes that had the best butts in all of HaloGrizzlei7/4/16 7:32 pm
                                                                 Re: yes that had the best butts in all of HaloQuirel7/4/16 10:02 pm
                                                                       Re: yes that had the best butts in all of Halodavidfuchs7/4/16 11:20 pm
                                                                             Re: yes that had the best butts in all of HaloGrizzlei7/5/16 7:08 am
                                                                                   They can still do that.Quirel7/5/16 12:13 pm
                                                                                         Re: They can still do that.Grizzlei7/5/16 3:37 pm
                                                                                               Re: They can still do that.Tuckerscreator7/6/16 12:49 am
                                                                                                     Re: They can still do that.Grizzlei7/6/16 12:07 pm
                                                                                         Re: They can still do that.Cody Miller7/5/16 6:04 pm
                                                                                   Re: yes that had the best butts in all of HaloNikGntre7/23/16 3:34 am
                                                                                         You must have eagle eyesscarab7/25/16 2:11 am
                                                                                               Re: You must have eagle eyesTuckerscreator7/25/16 3:57 am
                                                                                                     Ah! the big image, fem 6, is here *img*scarab7/25/16 4:38 am
                                                                                                           Admins: I just hotlinked directly to an imagescarab7/25/16 4:40 am
                                                                                                                 DOH that doesn't help: a link is a linkscarab7/25/16 4:43 am
                                                                                                                       How's this?Gravemind7/25/16 10:31 am
                                                                                                                             Geez, guys.Kermit7/25/16 12:04 pm
                                                                                                                                   ...Gravemind7/25/16 4:09 pm
                                                                                                                                   Our Savior! :-)scarab7/26/16 12:58 pm
                                                                                                                                   This thread is funniness. *NM*thebruce07/26/16 2:38 pm
                                                                                               Re: You must have eagle eyesNikGntre7/25/16 6:20 pm
                                                                             Re: yes that had the best butts in all of HaloThe Loot7/12/16 7:23 am
                                                                       Re: yes that had the best butts in all of Halomunky-0587/23/16 10:25 am
                                                     I was talking about Sloan. :p *NM*Tuckerscreator7/4/16 7:28 pm
                                   Re: Very disappointedThe Loot7/12/16 7:16 am
                                         Re: Very disappointedTuckerscreator7/12/16 1:46 pm
                                               Re: Very disappointedThe Loot7/13/16 12:23 am
                                               Re: Very disappointedscarab7/13/16 12:43 pm
                                                     Re: Very disappointedTuckerscreator7/13/16 2:24 pm
                                                           That's pretty interesting stuff *NM*scarab7/13/16 2:50 pm
                                               Re: Very disappointedQuirel7/14/16 3:33 am
                                                     Re: Very disappointedTuckerscreator7/14/16 3:38 am
                                                           Re: Very disappointedQuirel7/14/16 4:02 am
                                         Re: Very disappointedGeneral Vagueness7/12/16 1:56 pm
                                               Re: Very disappointedGrizzlei7/12/16 2:14 pm
                                                     Re: Very disappointedChrisTheeCrappy7/12/16 3:36 pm
                                                           Re: Very disappointedGrizzlei7/12/16 5:54 pm
                                                                 Re: Very disappointedChrisTheeCrappy7/12/16 7:12 pm
                                                           Re: Very disappointedQuirel7/14/16 4:28 am
                                               Re: Very disappointedThe Loot7/13/16 12:31 am
                                                     Re: Very disappointedGrizzlei7/13/16 12:48 am
                                                           👍🏾 *NM*kidtsunami7/13/16 11:06 am
                                                           Whatever happened to...Quirel7/14/16 1:44 am
                                               Re: Very disappointedSchooly D7/13/16 4:23 pm
                                                     Re: Very disappointedGeneral Vagueness7/13/16 6:44 pm
                                                     Re: Very disappointedGeneral Vagueness7/13/16 6:58 pm
                                                           Re: Very disappointedSchooly D7/14/16 12:42 am
                                                                 Re: Very disappointedKermit7/14/16 12:39 pm
                                                                       Re: Very disappointedSchooly D7/14/16 12:54 pm
                                                                       Re: Very disappointedCody Miller7/14/16 4:08 pm
                                                                             Re: Very disappointedKermit7/14/16 8:24 pm
                                                                                   Re: Very disappointedthebruce07/15/16 9:44 am
                                                                                         Re: Very disappointedKermit7/15/16 2:28 pm
                                                                             Re: Very disappointedGeneral Vagueness7/14/16 8:44 pm
                                                                 Re: Very disappointedGeneral Vagueness7/14/16 8:20 pm
                                                                 Re: Very disappointedGeneral Vagueness7/14/16 8:50 pm
                                                                       Re: Very disappointedCody Miller7/15/16 3:08 pm
                                                                             Re: Very disappointedGeneral Vagueness7/15/16 6:50 pm
                                                                                   Sorry SchoolyCody Miller7/19/16 7:04 pm
                             Re: Very disappointedGeneral Vagueness7/3/16 12:40 pm
                                   Re: Very disappointedthebruce07/4/16 11:05 am
                                         Re: Very disappointedGeneral Vagueness7/5/16 4:17 pm
                                   Re: Very disappointedTuckerscreator7/4/16 2:14 pm
                                         Re: Very disappointedThe BS Police7/4/16 3:43 pm
                                               ........ *NM*kidtsunami7/4/16 3:47 pm
                                                     Neogaf measured it *NM*The BS Police7/5/16 1:41 am
                                                           So did Mr. Loftus. *NM*Quirel7/5/16 2:14 am
                                                                 OK Mr Loftus what are Sloans dimensions?scarab7/5/16 2:44 am
                                                                       Re: OK Mr Loftus what are Sloans dimensions?MacGyver107/5/16 1:41 pm
                                                                       Re: OK Mr Loftus what are Sloans dimensions?davidfuchs7/6/16 1:10 pm
                                                                       Re: OK Mr Loftus what are Sloans dimensions?Stephen L. (SoundEffect)7/7/16 12:16 pm
                                                                             Re: OK Mr Loftus what are Sloans dimensions?scarab7/8/16 2:36 am
                                                                                   Re: OK Mr Loftus what are Sloans dimensions?Stephen L. (SoundEffect)7/8/16 9:54 am
           Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...Kermit7/7/16 12:10 pm
                 My kingdom for an edit button over here! :) *NM*Kermit7/7/16 12:48 pm
                 Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...Cody Miller7/7/16 5:51 pm
                       Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...Kermit7/7/16 7:22 pm
                 Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...General Vagueness7/8/16 5:58 pm
                       Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...Kermit7/8/16 7:46 pm
                             Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...General Vagueness7/9/16 2:11 am
                                   Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...Tuckerscreator7/9/16 3:47 am
                                   Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...Kermit7/9/16 7:39 pm
                                         Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...General Vagueness7/11/16 11:24 pm
                             Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...Cody Miller7/15/16 3:39 pm
                                   +1 *NM*kidtsunami7/15/16 4:30 pm
                                   Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...General Vagueness7/15/16 6:27 pm
                                         Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...Cody Miller7/15/16 8:20 pm
                                   Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...Kermit7/17/16 7:42 pm
                                         Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...General Vagueness7/18/16 1:49 pm
     Re: Lingerie is not ArmorGrizzlei6/27/16 6:14 pm
           +1 *NM*kidtsunami6/27/16 6:19 pm
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