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The Leveler, Ages and Eras (Part I)

Posted By: Forrest (term5-5.vta.west.net)
Date: 5/29/1999 at 12:42 p.m.

Here's more from the archives, this time regarding The Leveler, his various incarnations, the cycles of Light and Dark, and the Ages and Eras. Enjoy!

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MESSAGE: (#44) The many constants in Myth

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AUTHOR: Cpt. Sqweky

DATE: 12/15/98 at 1:22 p.m.

Everyone knows that Connacht(is that how you spell it?) Is Balor, true? and
everyone knows that Soulblighter is one of Balors generals, and is beleived to
be on of Connachts leutenats, true? Well, if Soulblighter Really was,Then what
stops him from ALWAYS being one of the Beholders generals? Alternating from
good to evil as the Beholder does? (FYI: if you don't know, The Beholder is
Connacht/Balor.) Also, the Comet is always a constant as well.
Now that we've discovered three Constants in the revolving world of Myth,
let's try for more. I can think of several.
1. Alric
2. The Journal writer
3. The Myrkridia
4. The ressurector
5. The Head, (assuming he isn't Balor)
6. the assorted Heros in Myth
7. Balin (he's a pathfinder, not a hero.)

Anyone else think of something?

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MESSAGE: (#59) Re: The many constants in Myth

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AUTHOR: Josh (orange)

DATE: 12/16/98 at 4:49 p.m.

Reply To: (#44) The many constants in Myth

Author: Cpt. Sqweky

Date: 12/15/98 at 1:22 p.m.

: Everyone knows that Connacht(is that how you spell it?)
: Is Balor, true?

No, that isn't true actually. It's a little more complex than that. Alric is
the new Leveller so it would be impossible for Balor to be Alric since each
exist at the same time. And I believe Forrest made the connection that the
Marathon player is most likely a Leveller so we can assume the Pathways guy is
one, and Konoko is one (assuming Oni takes place in the same universe).
Another of Forrest theories was that each incarnation of the Leveller did away
with the previous incarnation so by that reasoning the Pfhor leader from M1
could very well be a Leveller. So, the Leveller isn't necesarily the same
person, could be an alien, a girl and so on...

: and everyone knows that Soulblighter
: is one of Balors generals, and is beleived to be on of
: Connachts leutenats, true? Well, if Soulblighter
: Really was,Then what stops him from ALWAYS being one
: of the Beholders generals? Alternating from good to
: evil as the Beholder does? (FYI: if you don't know,
: The Beholder is Connacht/Balor.)

I've never heard the term The Beholder used. Where is that from? Did you
confuse Leveller with Beholder?
: 5. The Head, (assuming he isn't Balor)

Probably Connacht.

: Anyone else think of something?

I'm not sure what you mean by 'constant.'

-Josh

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MESSAGE: (#68) Re: The many constants in Myth

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AUTHOR: Dwalin

DATE: 12/17/98 at 10:30 a.m.

Reply To: (#63) Re: The many constants in Myth

Author: Forrest Cameran

Date: 12/16/98 at 11:00 p.m.

Hold on just a second. Balor is Connatch. Alric is not the new incarnation of
the leveller. The leveller is this immortal being, not a spirit inhabiting
various forms throughout time.

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MESSAGE: (#71) Theory on the Leveler.

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AUTHOR: ThorulfR

DATE: 12/17/98 at 3:21 p.m.

This is my own theory on the Leveler, Balor, Connacht and the head. Perhaps in
three weeks it will make me laugh.
A long time ago Connacht was truly the greatest hero that lived. He was the
leader of some beings so powerful that even cutting their head off would not
truly kill them. They where living and dead at the same time, and neither
realm held true sway over them, they thought. Connacht did many good things
like defeating the Myrkridia. He created the empire of Cath Bruig and many
statues where raised in his image. He collected or had created great items,
like the Tain. ÏSupposedly the immense power of items like the Tain both
fascinated and terrified himÓ. One of the items found was the Great Codex.
Connacht opened it to the page describing himself. And discovered something
terrible. He was supposed to become the foremost leader of evil.
ÏTake away this accursed lying bookÓ, he said. The years passed and Connacht
thought nothing about it, till one day he almost killed someone. This started
Connacht wondering. But he did not become really worried until one day he
found one of his lieutenants decapitated on the floor, and a bloody sword in
his own hands. Connacht discovered that by some influence in the world he was
turning into the thing he most feared, an evil being set upon destroying the
living. He realized he could not stop this, but maybe he could limit the
effects of it. He hid all his powerful artifacts all over the world and set
out towards the east in an effort to learn a cure or perhaps kill himself.
Dead vs. Living.
Think of the dead as something horrible, something opposed to the living,
should not the living be as horrible to the dead:
To the undead, the living are evil, they encroach upon the lands of the dead
seek to hack the dead to pieces. To the undead, they are the normal thing, and
the living are abominations, the ÏunbornÓ. Connacht, or Balor as he had
become, became their leader. Balor remembered his own evil past, when for some
reason he had fought the undead. He was joined by lieutenants, some old, some
new. All had made a similar switch to what the living stupidly called Ïthe
darkÓ. He missed one of them, who had made the switch, but was now only a head
in one place and a body in another. Balor did not know it, but this lieutenant
would fight him, vengeful for the injustice done to him long ago, yet still
loathing the living that he adviced. Balor saw the evil empire of Cath Bruig
who dominated the lands. He saw with distaste the bountiful lands east of the
Cloudspines where trees and crops grew in plenty, all signs of cruel life.
Balor set out to free the lands from the evil tyranny of the living. Powerful
sorcerers opposed him. The most powerful of them, Mazzarin, was swayed to the
dark. In fact all living things could be released from their terrible state by
force of weapon.
Suddenly things started going wrong. One of his armies was defeated and an
army of living ventured to attack his fortress. Nor was the joy of smiting the
living was not what it had used to be. Balor was slowly turning into the thing
he feared the most....
With Balor's head thrown into the devoid perhaps the Leveler has been
eliminated, and the lands are free to run a course less influenced by the
coin-spinning effect. Perhaps Alric is the new leveler. In a few weeks we will
now more.

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MESSAGE: (#149) The Leveler

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AUTHOR: Saradin

DATE: 12/27/98 at 7:43 p.m.

I'm gonna get yelled at for this...

"Centuries later, Connacht returned as Balor, the Leveller, to raze the
continent and lead the Fallen." -myth 2 glossary

So, if Connacht returned as the Leveler, that implys that he was not always
the Leveler and only became it when he became Balor. If that is true, then the
Leveler can't be the entity that causes balance because he would have been the
Leveler when he was Connacht fighting against the Mykridia.

My 2 cents: The Leveler refers to the fact that he levels (destroys) the
battlefield, not that he makes sure the field is level (even).

I know it is generally accepted here that Leveler means the latter, but I
forgot how we came to that conclusion and not the former. (I vote for the
former. The Myth 2 manual says so.)

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MESSAGE: (#153) Re: The Leveler

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AUTHOR: Saradin

DATE: 12/28/98 at 6:59 p.m.

Reply To: (#151) Re: The Leveler

Author: Forrest Cameran

Date: 12/28/98 at 1:01 p.m.

: Ok, so now it's decided that "The Leveler" is
: simply Balor's surname. But there's still the whole
: cycle of light and dark, and "The Leveler"
: was simply the name we gave to the theoretical entity
: behind it all, because it seems it posessed Connacht,
: Balor, probably Alric now, and Moagim before Connacht.
: So we used Balor's surname for this entity. We now
: know it's not the entity's name, just Balor's surname.
: So? That doesn't mean the entity doesn't exist, just
: that it doesn't have a name. How else do you explain
: the Dark-Light-Dark-Light cycles?

My theory is that there are 2 seperate entities, the Jjaro and the W'krnacter
and that Connact/Balor, Moagim and Alric are the mere vessels that house these
entities. And they come to power in a cycle of good/evil because of certain
universal events that weaken the Jjaro and strengthen the W'krnacter, then 500
years later, weaken the W'krnacter and strengthen the Jjaro. Connacht was a
vessel twice, once for the light as Connacht and once for the dark as Balor.
And Yrro and Pthia were two others who were vessels for Jjaro.

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MESSAGE: (#154) The Leveler - EXPLANATION

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AUTHOR: Ares

DATE: 12/28/98 at 7:01 p.m.

Forrest, for once in your life you're wrong! :)

Seriously, I dont blame you because Bungie said exactly what you're saying,
but apparently the Bungie dude who said that was misinformed or didn't express
himself very well.

I just beat Myth2. The final narration explains it all.

Tireces was the great hero of the Second Era. He returned as The Leveler to
end the Age of Reason. The Leveler is a transcient divinity, a God if you
will, that seeks only chaos and undoing. The hero of each age of Light is
different, but they all return in the next age wearing the mantle of The
Leveler. So Tireces returned as Moagim, The Leveler, and Moagim was defeated
by Connacht. Then Connacht retuned as Balor, another incarnation of The
Leveler and was defeated by Alric. Alric is doomed to return with a new name,
but with the face of the Leveler. Each age of Dark is ushered in by the
Leveler, and each age of Light is brought about by a different person, yet a
person who is doomed to return as the Leveler in a thousand years.

The Leveler is not the same person at each age, but he is the same spirit. Not
so for the heros of the Light.

The interesting part is where it talks about the ages. I dunno, go listen to
the final narration, it explains it better.

-Ares

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MESSAGE: (#201) Of Ages and Ileum...?

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AUTHOR: Pimpy

DATE: 1/13/99 at 4:43 p.m.

Reply To: (#200) Re: The Head is...

Author: Forrest Cameran

Date: 1/13/99 at 3:53 p.m.

A few more questions for the rest of you to ponder...

Here is a quote from the epilogue to Myth II:

"Although the hero of every age of light is different, every dark age is
ushered in by the same beast Û a transient divinity that seeks only conflict Û
The Leveler. And so Tireces returned as Moagim to end the Age of Reason Û and
Connacht, the great hero of the Wind Age, returned as Balor to lay waste to
the greatest empire the world had ever known.

The Leveler was never killed. He was immobilized by sorcery, beheaded and
burned at the stake in the Second Era. A thousand years later he was drawn and
quartered on the plains before Ileum, the tireless horses dragging the pieces
of his lifeless body to the four corners of the world. Again in the Fourth Era
his body was destroyed by fire, his ashes mixed with salt and buried under the
Mountains of Kor. Balor, Moagim and all those before them wore the Mantle of
The Leveler.

>From this excerpt I have two major questions:

1. How long is an age, since there are no names for the ages of Dark's reign.
Does this mean that each lasts 2,000 years or that the Ages of Darkness are
yet unknown and unnamed.

2. Who or where is Ileum? Is this the great hero before Tireces/Moagim? Or
what does this mean in the context of this passage?

Just 2 simple questions that caught my attention. So help me out guys.

Sincerely,
Pimpy™ -LVIII-

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MESSAGE: (#205) Re: Of Ages and Ileum...?

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AUTHOR: Tiger -DC-

DATE: 1/13/99 at 6:15 p.m.

Reply To: (#201) Of Ages and Ileum...?

Author: Pimpy

Date: 1/13/99 at 4:43 p.m.

It seems that there is a question about the ages/eras... and I think we should
list them all. I'll start it, but I know that off the top of my head i have
not listed them all.

Anyways, an age = 1000 years, not 2000 years. You can see that because it says
"...in the
: Second Era. A thousand years later he was drawn and
: quartered on the plains before Ileum , the tireless
: horses dragging the pieces of his lifeless body to the
: four corners of the world. Again in the Fourth Era..." This tells us that
its every 1000 years. We "think!" that Teirces was the hero of the 3rd age,
the lamer of the fourth age, and that connacht was hero of the 4th, and lamer
of the fifth, but we have no evidence that they are not in the 50th age and
that Teirces was not the leader of the 48th age, bad boy of the 49th, and
balor the good guy of the 49th and Evil Dude of the 50th. =)

However, I think that this epilogue shows one REALLY good point in that the
continent has been reshaped time and time again. The map that Connacht was on
must have been different than the one of "today." We don't know much about the
Blind Steppes, or the mountains that the dwarves inhabit whatsoever. We know
that there were beautiful plains before Balor made it into the barrier, that
could bethe plains of ilieum, and the mountains of the dwarves could be the
Kor mountains. Just my 2¢

: From this excerpt I have two major questions: 1. How long
: is an age, since there are no names for the ages of
: Dark's reign. Does this mean that each lasts 2,000
: years or that the Ages of Darkness are yet unknown and
: unnamed.

: 2. Who or where is Ileum? Is this the great hero before
: Tireces/Moagim? Or what does this mean in the context
: of this passage?

: Just 2 simple questions that caught my attention. So help
: me out guys.

: Sincerely,
: PimpyÙ -LVIII-

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