: Ah, The baron uses something to keep his brigands all
: evil, that Cruniac shakes off, and I'm sure other
: minor necromancers do the same thing, Soulblighter has
: Brigands and Dark archers who i'm sure also have that
: spell on them...
Actually, the Brigand/DA flavors imply that they're just jerks. I think the Baron's spell was more along the lines of a geas preventing the guy from spilling any information.
But yeah, it *could* be a lousy version of the Binding Dream. Still, that would just testify to Myrdred's exceptional talent, that only he can add so much power to a normally mediocre dream.
: there might be another BINDING dream that doesnt mind
: will, but does phsyically that Deceiver used on
: Watcher, (And alric remember, champions, alric, binded
: in the air yadda yadda?)
Sure, although not every source says it was Myrdred. Most sources in TFL/M2 say it was Connacht, Myth III says it was "forces of the Light" or something. Either way, though, Myrdred would probably know quite a bit about it.
: I know that the Deceiver can get MORE than one at a time,
: but i still beleive the deceiver is one of the 'small
: elite force vs Big giant Thrall force' (I think those
: fetch in 7 gates... Deceiver's)
Yeah, probably. The Watcher likes to raise a ton of crappy units like Thrall; The Deceiver chooses fewer but more powerful slaves & allies. (Trow, Fetch, Shades, Light units.)
: I also think that the
: Deceiver in Raw Physical and Magical power is NOTHING
: compared to ANY of the fallen lords, he wins with
: trickery, he's the deceiver!
I think trickery counts in magical power, though. The Deceiver has a technique for every occasion, whereas Shiver just blows crap up and the Watcher just summons more and more and more Thrall until his target's crushed.
: A) Watcher in WA, Watcher has a spell that is incredibly
: powerfull (and seems to be taken from the black
: company, anyone remember the spell that swells the
: ground and causes it to burst, i think its in the book
: after Silver Spike...) The deceiver has his little
: puny thing, who SHOULD win? Watcher who DOES?
: Deceiver....
Yeah, but nothing in MWA makes sense. Moagim, the almost-Leveller. How does he fight when cornered? Why, he teleports back and forth between two locations twenty feet apart, attacks you with explosive spells that take ten minutes to go off, and his sword paralyzes you and kind of hurts! Hell, strap a Ghast, a Warlock and a Mahir together and you've got something that fights better than Moagim.
: B) Alric, Alric is more powerfull magically (I would
: think) but The deceiver uses a combination of the Head
: and Trickery to capture Alric (He had to be in on the
: whole head thing)
Dunno if a head-to-head fight ever came up...Alric was probably just overwhelmed by The Deceiver's army. I don't think Alric is nearly as powerful as Myrdred in TFL, though. The mightiest person Alric ever tries to defeat one-on-one is a Shade; any Fallen Lord would splatter him. I think Rabican was the best of the Nine in battle, and he still only beat Shiver by a trick.
: C) Soulblighter 1) Uses the tain battery, he had it up
: his sleave the whole time
Which is definitely a trick, I admit. Still, it's a hell of a trick. No one else ever walked out of the Tain carrying enough power to send Damas running in ten seconds flat.
: D) Soulblighter 2) Alric beat Soulblighter because shiver
: got his crow to stop him from escaping
Shiver? You mean Myrdred.
: E) Shiver, big D Used his shadey 'friend' tricky
Yeah, but really, Phelot didn't do anything to *Shiver*; he just surprised her by attacking the Krids instead of the heroes. It was up to Myrdred to freeze Shiver and drain her life. That took a bit of power, I think.
: I say its that apple... You know the one. Why do you
: think he has it, so it can't be used AGAINST him.
Damn. He must have been even uglier when that thing was still in his head.
: ( i think alric is pretty weak actually and Watcher is
: stronger...)
In TFL? Probably. In M2? I think older Alric's the equal of anyone save a Leveller. Anyone who can break his magic sword, stand there empty-handed and *then* have Soulblighter run in terror is an ultimate badass.
: As A side note they say the Watcher Bearly survived... I
: always thought that the watcher attacked Deceiver in 7
: gates after tharsis exploded, deceiver falls into the
: water FROM THE WATCHER NOT THE LEGION and no one hears
: about him, and apparently he gets frozen in a month or
: so (remember its still cold in 7 gates only a bit of
: time for the volcano to be hot)
: So the watcher won, but still bearly survived... where
: does it say the Deceiver was hunted down...
In TFL, it says The Deceiver was still going strong after the Seven Gates thing--he crossed back west over the Cloudspine as of and was the only named Fallen Lord active in the Province while the Legion was going after Balor. Perhaps he was responsible for bringing down Madrigal.
M2 is slightly contradictory--it says that The Deceiver disappeared from Light view after Seven Gates. But later Twelve Motion Jeweled Skull recalls that after Balor's death The Deceiver fled east through the Stair of Grief with the "remnants of his army." Twelve Motion, along with a Light force including a couple of Zerk heroes, caught him there and knocked him into the Dramus, where he was swept away.
Twelve Motion's story matches TFL...the weird bit is the initial M2 belief that Seven Gates was the end of Myrdred's involvement in TFL. I've always thought Myrdred may have been responsible for that...it was convenient for his true fate to be forgotten by the West until Soulblighter came after him and he needed Alric's help.
The Watcher "barely surviving" is from a pre-TFL fight they had after Tyr was conquered.
