: Ah true. Where did you learn that about Turquine out of
: curiosity?
M2 Shade flavor. “...Turquine so mistreated his subjects that even his personal guard abandoned him... he agreed to endure the indescribable tortures of the Fallen that he might have his revenge.”
: Yeah, I can agree with that. I'd like to think that they
: are each characters of their own. It's an element of
: the Myth storyline I'd love to have seen developed.
: Much like the Fallen Lords, it would have been great
: to 'get to know' some of the bad guys. There are so
: many great characters, and so few (like the Avatara
: aside from Alric) are ever detailed.
True, but it's hard to come up with a plausible connection for the narrator's interacting with any of the Fallen Lords or Shades. It was easier in the Black Company, since its protagonist soldiers switched sides so often. They could end up under someone that really creeped them out, just because it was part of the current job. We sorta got this with Myrdred in M2...
: Ah, yeah, forgot that. I didn't think the Binding Dream
: effected Undead? I'm not sure though, since we never
: get Myrdred in a level containing them. I'm pretty
: sure it Myrks, Ghol, and Mauls in any level involving
: him. Except Shiver, but I don't think it worked on
: Thrall or Soulles there, did it?
: Or Shades considered undead in story? Are they undead for
: game-play rules (can they be anti-healed etc.)?
Shades can't be anti-healed. TFL Shades couldn't be healed either, but M2 Shades can (IIRC); this is probably more a gameplay thing than anything else.
The TFL Manual calls them "reanimated corpses of long-dead Avatara." Of course this can't apply exactly to ones like Turquine or those described in GURPS, but either way they seem to be pretty much undead.
I tend to think the Binding Dream works on any intelligent being; Thrall and Soulless and Wights and Stygs (barring M3's description of Soulless) don't have enough mind left to control. Myrms or Shades would both be Bindable, I think, undead or not.
: True, I didn't think of this. I assume, however, that The
: Deceiver knew of Balor's demise. If he knew that much,
: he'd probably know Soulblighter had survived at least
: this far. Perhaps his spies would have informed him of
: what went down at the Devoid?
Very possible, though who knows if anyone survived the Devoid explosion to see SB there. The Deceiver could probably figure out Balor's demise much more easily, since Balor had him under mental control to some degree and was probably channeling him power as well. (Plus, it may be that he saw minor undead falling apart all around him as soon as Balor died.)
--SiliconDream
