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What's all this ruckus about dead people lately?

Posted By: Doom (207.239.12.200)
Date: 2/20/2003 at 1:15 p.m.

Y'know, as of late, a lot of people have been talking about a lot of deaths I never heard about... How do we know that all these people (Connacht, before conversion to Balor, the Fallen Lords, etc.) have died? Hm? It seems that many of our members here are starting to believe that it's a piece of cake to just resurrect somebody fully (well, perhaps not in terms of their flesh and blood, but their spirits and everything else)... when it seems pretty obvious to me that it's just the opposite - after all, look at all the thrall: they don't have any kind of will at all, and it seems to me that that's probably associated with the fact that they likely lack the souls they had in life... The soulless, too, and they're even called soulless. In many ways, if you think about it, not even the shades seem to have their souls... or at least, not totally. It's possible that the souls are connected to the resurrected body, by using the Dream of Unlife, but not actually having significant control in most cases.

If you think about it, in the TFL and SB, does it say anywhere that Damas actually ever dies? (besides that last part in SB, of course, when Alric kills him...) Certainly, he's known as Twice-Born, but that, I believe, has been agreed upon as a more figurative representation, of either his "rebirth" as soulblighter, or because of whatever dark and obscene rituals he uses to extend his life... what more, what need would he have to extend his life, if he could be brought back again so easily? And Connacht - there's absolutely no evidence at all that he dies before becoming Balor, and though "Balor has been killed before," or something like that, if one of the pieces of advice in TFL is not to listen to what Balor's head tells you, that sort of suggests that Balor was actually alive during his assorted "deaths;" what can kill a normal person does not necessarily kill an "archmage," as Seraph always calls them (point in case: the Head). There is also no evidence that Ravanna ever dies before Shiver's battle with Rabican, and it never say actually dies there. We never see a picture of her rotting carcass, or read anything even really hinting at her death, even then. All we have is that she is defeated, and we hear nothing else of her for the rest of the game. This does not necessarily mean that she is dead, merely that she must be out of commission. The Deceiver? Again, I've never even considered that he had ever been killed prior to the Great War. He's obviously ancient, but we've all seen, I think, impossibly old people in the fantasy genre before: look at Gandalf, for example. He doesn't exactly seem to me like he had ever died, and he's certainly got a healthy amount of fear for his own existance (he doesn't exactly put any trust in his nemesis, for example) - yet if he knew he could simply be resurrected once more, why would he? And if he could simply be resurrected once more, why would the Watcher want him dead? I would think torture would be a more satisfactory solution than murder, if your victim was going to be restored to as good as new (which Balor likely would have done. He wouldn't want to have gone to all the trouble of "bending the Deciever to his will" for nothing, after all). Finally, I have serious doubts about the Watcher's death. Bahl'al? Essentially, the original user (at least amongst the Children of Wyrd) of the Dream of Unlife? If he dies before becoming a Fallen Lord, I don't think anyone would have been able to resurrect him. And also, for a guy who can be restored to his former self after death, Alric sure goes to a lot of trouble to kill him...

I'm not saying that you guys who seem to think that these people have died are necessarily wrong, I'm just pointing out what I've always noticed before... I mean, if you have any kind of evidence at all that even hints at the possibility of your views, I'd be willing to at least look at it... (and yes, I am saying you're wrong, and challenging you, too! :p )

Prove me wrong -- I dare you! (hehe ;)

dom!

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