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Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo Franchise
By:The BS Police
Date: 10/4/15 2:54 pm
In Response To: Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo Franchise (General Vagueness)

: That and the podcast confirm what I've suspected for years: the Chief wasn't
: made to be a fleshed-out character. More than that, they confirm Bungie
: was never hot on the expanded universe, and they explain why: from the
: very beginning, people were countermanding and overriding the universe
: they were trying to create and their decisions about how and when and
: where to make it. The podcast says they had a lot of latitude but going
: against their wishes to put out a book, even one that was well-liked and
: sold well, I mean that's got to hurt. If anything it doing well might feel
: worse since it makes you look like a fool for opposing it. That might
: explain why they didn't make Reach conform to canon very well-- they
: didn't write the canon that existed at that point and they were annoyed
: they had the chance to taken away from them, as I think most people would
: be. It looks like one person is largely responsible for all this-- and
: ironically also largely responsible for the first game's script coming
: together.

: I never minded the blank slate character, and actually it bothers me that
: everyone seems to be getting rid of them. I don't like the idea that a
: certain character archetype is bad, even if that archetype is mainly
: defined by what it lacks. Not only that but a game is about the only place
: a blank slate character can work, and not only that but work to great
: effect. What blank slates do we have left in larger games? Even Gordon
: Freeman has a bit of backstory and ostensibly has a personality now. Why
: can't we have some blank slate characters in things other than little
: indie games?

Depends on the game, but let's be honest. The silent protagonist only ever originally excisted due to sound/hardware limitations. It's one reason why Duke Nukem 3D was widely praised when it was released. With a universe a fleshed out as Halo you can't keep playing as a blank slate character. To be perfectly honest though we never truly had a blank slate character in Halo until ODST, which looking at this now is fairly ironic.

: I would also rather have a blank slate than the cartoonishly evil origin
: story we got from Nylund. Abducting little kids, replacing them with
: clones that will die soon, training the kids in combat, subjecting them to
: experimental procedures that kill a bunch of them and make others unable
: to have a normal life... we're used to overlooking it but that's on the
: level of a bad comic book villain. The fact a lot of things established in
: The Fall of Reach were contradicted by other authors suggests... well you
: can probably see where that's going. I still wonder if giving the
: Spartan-IIIs a slightly different origin was a response to feedback on the
: S-IIs. I will say I don't particularly blame him beyond the existence of
: certain concepts-- the whole thing was stressful, he had to write it in 7
: weeks, it was his first entry into the universe, and Bungie, who came up
: with the universe, were too busy to talk to him.

I'd hardly call the Spartan II project cartoonishly evil, it's not something you would see in a saturday morning cartoon aimed at kids or teens. The Fall of Reach was an excellent novel and the origins of the Spartan II's is damn dark. Can you imagine if a country in the present day attempted it? There would be hell to pay.

: As to the comments about Bungie, they're... interesting, especially the comic
: ones... Trautmann himself said he can't speak for all them and there were
: plenty of good and reasonable people there, and that they were
: (understandably) not too happy about Microsoft injecting people into their
: team.

: All in all, I'm still just waiting for the reboot.

The way I look at things it seems that without Microsoft Halo would not have turned into the great franchise it is today. It would not be as interesting as it is not going by what we now have with Destiny. Microsoft and people like Trautmann and Nylund deserve credit on helping to create an expanded universe that helps to make the Halo series more fresh and exciting to explore.


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Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchiseGrizzlei10/2/15 9:15 pm
     Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo Franchisezofinda10/2/15 9:27 pm
     Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchiseMetalingus62710/2/15 10:04 pm
     Listen to the Podcast Eric Suggestsmacgyver1010/2/15 10:15 pm
           Re: This cave is not...what I was toldmelee10/3/15 9:19 am
           Re: Listen to the Podcast Eric SuggestsTuckerscreator10/5/15 3:32 pm
                 Re: Listen to the Podcast Eric SuggestsArchilen10/6/15 5:53 am
     Bungie being complete dicks...scarab10/3/15 3:52 am
           Indeed.car1510/3/15 3:55 pm
           Wow.Quirel10/4/15 1:01 am
                 Re: Wow.car1510/4/15 2:09 am
                 Re: Wow.scarab10/4/15 9:54 am
                       Re: Wow.Quirel10/6/15 2:25 pm
                 Re: Wow.Masterz133710/4/15 11:19 am
                       Re: Wow.Quirel10/6/15 2:10 pm
                 Re: Wow.Cody Miller10/5/15 12:48 pm
     Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchiseGeneral Vagueness10/4/15 1:53 pm
           Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchiseGeneral Vagueness10/4/15 1:55 pm
           Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchiseThe BS Police10/4/15 2:54 pm
                 Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchisecheapLEY10/4/15 3:10 pm
                       Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo Franchisecar1510/4/15 5:58 pm
                             Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchisecheapLEY10/4/15 6:20 pm
                                   Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo Franchisecar1510/4/15 8:50 pm
                                         Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo Franchisezofinda10/4/15 9:11 pm
                                         100% Agreedmacgyver1010/4/15 9:21 pm
                                         YepGrizzlei10/4/15 9:45 pm
                                   Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchiseCody Miller10/5/15 1:01 pm
                       Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchiseCody Miller10/5/15 12:58 pm
                 Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchiseCody Miller10/5/15 12:55 pm
                 Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchiseGeneral Vagueness10/5/15 2:52 pm
                 Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchiseQuirel10/6/15 2:09 pm
                       Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo Franchisedavidfuchs10/6/15 3:01 pm
           Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchiseGrizzlei10/4/15 3:30 pm
                 I like and agree with this too! *NM*macgyver1010/4/15 9:22 pm
                 Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchiseMorhek10/5/15 2:11 am
                       Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchiseGrizzlei10/5/15 3:25 am
                             Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchiseMorhek10/5/15 5:13 am
                                   Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchiseGrizzlei10/5/15 5:46 am
                                         Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchiseFree Weights10/5/15 2:17 pm
                                               Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchiseGeneral Vagueness10/5/15 4:17 pm
                                                     Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchiseGrizzlei10/5/15 4:24 pm
                                                           Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchiseGeneral Vagueness10/5/15 4:43 pm
                                                                 Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchiseGrizzlei10/5/15 4:48 pm
                                                     Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchiseMacGyver1010/5/15 4:30 pm
                                                           Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchiseGeneral Vagueness10/5/15 5:10 pm
                                                     Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchiseFree Weights10/6/15 4:02 pm
                             Isn't that the point?scarab10/5/15 12:26 pm
                                   Re: Isn't that the point?iamaquestionmark10/5/15 1:10 pm
                                         Re: Isn't that the point?kidtsunami10/5/15 1:37 pm
                                               Re: Isn't that the point?iamaquestionmark10/5/15 3:06 pm
                                               Re: Isn't that the point?General Vagueness10/5/15 4:10 pm
                                                     Re: Isn't that the point?Grizzlei10/5/15 4:20 pm
                                         Re: Isn't that the point?Grizzlei10/5/15 4:12 pm
                                         Re: Isn't that the point?Morhek10/5/15 7:16 pm
                                               Re: Isn't that the point?General Vagueness10/5/15 10:57 pm
                                   Re: Isn't that the point?Grizzlei10/5/15 4:07 pm
                                         Re: Isn't that the point?scarab10/6/15 3:49 pm
                                               Re: Isn't that the point?Grizzlei10/6/15 4:12 pm
                                                     Re: Isn't that the point?scarab10/6/15 4:50 pm
                                                           Re: Isn't that the point?Grizzlei10/6/15 5:03 pm
                                                                 Re: Isn't that the point?zofinda10/6/15 8:14 pm
                                                                       Re: Isn't that the point?Grizzlei10/6/15 8:24 pm
                                                                             Re: Isn't that the point?zofinda10/6/15 8:30 pm
                                                                                   Re: Isn't that the point?Grizzlei10/6/15 8:35 pm
                                                                                         Re: Isn't that the point?zofinda10/6/15 8:40 pm
                                                                 Did you read the books after the game?scarab10/7/15 3:26 pm
                                                                       Re: Did you read the books after the game?Grizzlei10/7/15 3:34 pm
                                                                             I prefer to get that from the other characters.scarab10/7/15 4:13 pm
                                         Re: Isn't that the point?Quirel10/6/15 5:15 pm
                             Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchiseGeneral Vagueness10/5/15 3:46 pm
                 Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchiseGeneral Vagueness10/5/15 3:36 pm
                 Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchiseTuckerscreator10/5/15 3:46 pm
           I was surprised when I found out my backstoryscarab10/5/15 7:24 am
     Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchiseArchilen10/5/15 7:45 am
           Yeh, it doesn't seem to be one u can pin on Bungie *NM*scarab10/5/15 12:16 pm
           Re: Unsung Hero of the Halo FranchiseTuckerscreator10/5/15 3:27 pm
     Checks HBO. Walks back out revolving door.Leviathan10/7/15 2:19 pm
           So you dropped in in to tell us we suck?scarab10/7/15 2:28 pm
                 That was not my intent.Leviathan10/7/15 2:40 pm
                       Re: That was not my intent.Leviathan10/7/15 2:44 pm
                       Bullshit Levi - nothing needed twistingscarab10/7/15 2:44 pm
                             Re: Bullshit Levi - nothing needed twistingQuirel10/7/15 2:50 pm
                                   you didn't read his post as passive agressive?scarab10/7/15 3:06 pm
                                         Re: you didn't read his post as passive agressive?Grizzlei10/7/15 3:21 pm
                                               amen to that *NM*kidtsunami10/7/15 3:33 pm
                                               Let's fix this...ChrisTheeCrappy10/7/15 3:37 pm
                                                     Re: Let's fix this...Grizzlei10/7/15 3:51 pm
                                                           Re: Let's fix this...ChrisTheeCrappy10/7/15 3:56 pm
                                               Prior to his post where was the angst between us? *NM*scarab10/7/15 3:49 pm
                                         Re: you didn't read his post as passive agressive?uberfoop10/7/15 3:22 pm
                                               I thought levi was vilifying usscarab10/7/15 4:00 pm
                                                     Re: I thought levi was vilifying usLeviathan10/7/15 4:37 pm
                                                     Re: I thought levi was vilifying usGeneral Vagueness10/7/15 6:45 pm
                                                           Yeh, I know, I bitscarab10/8/15 2:52 pm
                                                                 Re: Yeh, I know, I bitGeneral Vagueness10/8/15 4:41 pm
                                         Re: you didn't read his post as passive agressive?General Vagueness10/7/15 3:30 pm
                                         The Shadow of my Intent.Leviathan10/7/15 3:54 pm
                                               Re: The Shadow of my Intent.General Vagueness10/7/15 6:37 pm
                                                     Re: The Shadow of my Intent.Leviathan10/7/15 7:42 pm
                                         Re: you didn't read his post as passive agressive?Quirel10/7/15 3:54 pm
                                               Re: you didn't read his post as passive agressive?Leviathan10/7/15 4:07 pm
                                               Re: you didn't read his post as passive agressive?thebruce010/8/15 9:44 am
                             Seriously?cheapLEY10/7/15 10:46 pm
           +1 *NM*Arithmomaniac10/7/15 2:57 pm
           +2 *NM*munky-05810/7/15 4:21 pm
           Why not focus on the positive discussions?The BS Police10/7/15 4:32 pm
                 Sometimes, bad behavior needs to be called outkidtsunami10/7/15 5:19 pm
           Switches out revolving door for welcome matMacGyver1010/7/15 4:51 pm
                 Appreciation and Apologies.*long-ass post*Leviathan10/7/15 8:02 pm
                       Re: Appreciation and Apologies.*long-ass post*macgyver1010/7/15 10:45 pm
                       Well, safe travels and such....robofin11710/7/15 11:05 pm
                       Hope it's not a permanent good-byekidtsunami10/8/15 9:56 am
                             Re: Levi...zofinda10/8/15 10:17 pm
                                   hehe, would be fun to have an HBO Hall Of Fame *NM*kidtsunami10/9/15 8:10 am
                       I agree Levi, Screw that Scarab douche!munky-05810/10/15 2:43 pm
                             Re: I agree Levi, Screw that Scarab douche!General Vagueness10/10/15 8:09 pm
                                   Once more, with feeling...Leviathan10/11/15 1:28 pm
                                         Re: Once more, with feeling...General Vagueness10/12/15 1:07 pm
                                               HBO HaikuAfroRyan10/12/15 1:57 pm
                                               Twice more, with even MORE feeling... :)Leviathan10/12/15 5:17 pm
                                                     Re: Twice more, with even MORE feeling... :)General Vagueness10/12/15 6:56 pm
                                                     Re: Twice more, with even MORE feeling... :)uberfoop10/12/15 7:06 pm
                                                           Re: Twice more, with even MORE feeling... :)Leviathan10/12/15 7:25 pm
                                                                 Yes, they are beautifulscarab10/13/15 1:13 pm
                                                                       Re: Yes, they are beautifulLeviathan10/13/15 1:51 pm
                                                     Hey Levi, I think this might help.robofin11710/13/15 2:14 am
                                                           Re: Hey Levi, I think this might help.Leviathan10/13/15 2:50 am
           FORGEpete_the_duck10/7/15 7:42 pm
                 ..and lack of an edit button *NM*pete_the_duck10/7/15 7:44 pm
                       I like the lack of an edit button *NM*macgyver1010/7/15 10:49 pm
                 Re: FORGELeviathan10/7/15 7:45 pm
           hey who took my ashtray? *NM*Bounce-A-Gon10/7/15 8:21 pm

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