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Re: That's just it though
By:kidtsunami
Date: 10/2/15 11:00 am
In Response To: Re: Sorry (Gravemind)

: You're only four years younger than me. You had to have started buying games
: at least a few years before digital distribution really hit consoles
: (meaning full retail-release titles, as opposed to little $5 XBLA or
: Virtual Console games). In terms of your relationship to the product as a
: consumer, how did you view games growing up and in younger adulthood?

: As for me, I've viewed video games just like I view everything else I bought
: or received as a gift. They're my property, no different from books or
: magazines or records or cassettes or CDs or VHS tapes or DVDs or Blu-ray
: discs or furniture or toys or clothes or automobiles or electronic items
: (including consoles). That's my shit. It belongs to me. I don't like
: people messing with it without my permission, and if someone takes it
: without asking then that's theft. I'm a HUGE believer in private property.
: And that's why I'm not going to invest money into a "product"
: that I don't even own. $60 for a glorified long-term rental? Hell. No. $60
: for something I can't sell, lend, or trade without the express permission
: of the copyright holder? Hell. No. $60 for something that can be lost
: permanently because a hard drive crashes after the console is no longer
: supported? Hell. No. $60 for something that can be yanked from my console
: by the copyright holder for any reason or no reason at all? Hell. No.
: Given both the law, historical precedent, and my general attitude towards
: the concept of property, I don't consider digital distribution anything
: worth investing in, and I don't think anyone else should invest in it,
: either, because I consider it an affront to consumer rights. It gives game
: publishers and other content creators ideas, none of them good for the
: consumer. The only thing it provides is the illusion of convenience.

: PT wasn't so much a game as it was a demo. But Silent Hills was cancelled
: (#FUCKONAMI) and now PT is the last remaining vestige of that
: highly-anticipated project. That makes it worth something to people who
: are fans of Kojima and/or Silent Hill. But it got pulled from PSN and if
: you accidentally delete it, it's gone forever, and it'll never come back.
: And if you didn't get it before it got pulled, well, you're shit outta
: luck. And it was just a demo. There's been actual full games pulled with
: no notification or anything. Dozens of titles, simply vanishing into the
: ether, perhaps never to be seen again. Want to buy them second-hand? Too
: bad. There is no used game market with digital distribution.

I'm currently standing next to a bookcase filled with an Edge magazine collection and all of my 360 games, I definitely had a long history of buying games starting in high school. If I could send all of these discs in to get whatever digital license microsoft could revoke at any time I would still take the deal. That is because the convenience you believe is an illusion are conveniences I happily enjoy given the risks. Your value in property is just something I don't have, I prioritize my life in a drastically different way. I'd rather work towards having more consumer friendly licenses, whether that's through laws or market forces.

Like really, I do not see things that don't have to be physical, as property. This desk I have, that's property. I think it's weird to take something that could be copied so easily, with so little effort, and tie it to a physical disk and declare it's property. It's an illusion of the physical nature of things. That's probably why we can't see eye to eye mate.


Messages In This Thread

Four weeks to go until Halo 5! *NM*Gravemind9/29/15 4:43 pm
     Re: Four weeks to go until Halo 5!MacGyver109/29/15 4:59 pm
           Re: Four weeks to go until Halo 5!asa9/29/15 5:10 pm
                 Physical copies 4 Life! *NM*Gravemind9/29/15 8:52 pm
                       +1Grizzlei9/29/15 8:55 pm
                             Re: +1zofinda9/29/15 9:05 pm
                                   Re: +1thebruce09/30/15 9:38 am
                       Done with Physicalkidtsunami9/30/15 10:11 am
                             Re: Done with Physicalthebruce09/30/15 10:25 am
                                   Re: Done with Physicaldavidfuchs9/30/15 12:47 pm
                             Re: Done with PhysicalGravemind9/30/15 1:15 pm
                                   Re: Sorrykidtsunami10/1/15 1:27 pm
                                         Re: SorryGravemind10/1/15 9:49 pm
                                               Re: That's just it thoughkidtsunami10/2/15 11:00 am
                                                     Re: That's just it thoughthebruce010/2/15 12:22 pm
                                                           +1 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ *NM*kidtsunami10/2/15 12:51 pm

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