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Re: Not an excuse.
By:Archilen
Date: 6/14/15 9:05 am
In Response To: Not an excuse. (Quirel)

: If I had to, and the writing was good enough to support it, I could get
: behind the Didact being a Captain Planet villain. But the writing doesn't
: support it.

: Prometheans are weak. They're slow. They underperform compared to other
: Forerunner systems we've seen. They're comically, laughably underpowered,
: and their glowing holographic skull is a weak point that seems to exist to
: intimidate an enemy that can't be intimidated.

: Which is fine, if it was just the Didact alone on this. But all the other
: not-insane Prometheans looked at the Knight's spec-sheet and said
: "Yeah, I should get melted down into one of those things. Totally
: worth my free will."

: Then there's the fact that the Promethean weapons, which are so weak and
: inflexible as to barely qualify as a Forerunner's sidearm, are confirmed
: to be designs hundreds of years old by the time the Didact woke up from
: the Cryptum.

In these conversations I always like to bring up the Onyx Sentinels because of how hilariously superior they are to any of the in-game Prometheans in every way.

They can fly (in space too). Their standard attacks are much more powerful than any of the Promethean pew pew guns. They're also much more durable. They learn from every encounter and adapt to the enemy's tactics on the fly. They can combine to form any number of different specialist configurations and accumulate their offensive and defensive capabilities to the point of going up against starships. In general they can be used as anything from attack drones to building blocks to earthmovers.

And there were trillions of them at Onyx alone. And they were manufactured en masse with trivial ease. And the Greg Bear novels did nothing to suggest that this kind of thing was unusual to the Forerunners; instead, they only reinforce the idea that the norm in Forerunner warfare was to spam the enemy with lots and lots of drones until they die.

And there's no reason they wouldn't be available to the Didact, seeing as Onyx was a shield world and the shield worlds were his pet project.

So, again, why would any of the Prometheans, who were accustomed to having hundreds of thousands of drones many times more powerful than a Knight around as mere combat support, doom his soul to eternal agony imprisoned in a crappy bot that is easily outclassed by expendable combat drones?

To make it worth the sacrifice, a single Knight should've been a giant starship capable of cracking apart planets, detonating stars, deploying and controlling millions of drones, and seeding star systems and cometary clouds with automated foundries to mine them for raw materials and build even more ships and more drones to fling at the Flood. Essentially going full Von Neumann on the galaxy, and making the Didact's solution grimly pragmatic rather than completely batshit insane.


Messages In This Thread

Ready up live Halo 5 info dump *spoilers*Bounce-A-Gon6/12/15 2:00 pm
     Re: Ready up live Halo 5 info dump *spoilers*zofinda6/12/15 3:28 pm
     Alien spacesGrizzlei6/12/15 3:39 pm
           Re: Alien spacesPkmnrulz2406/12/15 11:13 pm
                 Re: Alien spacesGrizzlei6/12/15 11:39 pm
     Re: Ready up live Halo 5 info dump *spoilers*asa6/12/15 3:47 pm
           Re: Ready up live Halo 5 info dump *spoilers*thebruce06/12/15 5:23 pm
                 Re: Ready up live Halo 5 info dump *spoilers*Bounce-A-Gon6/12/15 5:30 pm
                 Re: Ready up live Halo 5 info dump *spoilers*asa6/12/15 8:16 pm
     Just when I was feeling a modicum of excitement...Quirel6/12/15 4:40 pm
           Re: Just when I was feeling a modicum of excitemenasa6/12/15 4:43 pm
                 Re: Just when I was feeling a modicum of excitemenBounce-A-Gon6/12/15 5:33 pm
                       Re: Just when I was feeling a modicum of excitemenzofinda6/12/15 5:44 pm
                       Re: Just when I was feeling a modicum of excitemenQuirel6/12/15 5:52 pm
                             Promethean New UnitBounce-A-Gon6/12/15 9:36 pm
                                   Re: Promethean New UnitGeneral Vagueness6/13/15 3:07 pm
                                         Has it actually got a troll face?scarab6/13/15 6:24 pm
                             Why bother with limbs?scarab6/13/15 4:08 am
                                   Re: Why bother with limbs?Archilen6/13/15 4:25 am
                                         Re: Why bother with limbs?davidfuchs6/13/15 2:16 pm
                                               Re: Why bother with limbs?Quirel6/13/15 11:55 pm
                                   Because the Didact is nuts and also a bit cliche.Gravemind6/13/15 2:28 pm
                                         Not an excuse.Quirel6/14/15 1:49 am
                                               Re: Not an excuse.Archilen6/14/15 9:05 am
                                                     Aren't Promethean Knights composed humans? *NM*scarab6/14/15 6:31 pm
                                                           Re: Aren't Promethean Knights composed humans?Archilen6/14/15 11:53 pm
                                                                 Ah! Thanks. *NM*scarab6/15/15 8:19 am
                                                     Re: Not an excuse.Quirel6/15/15 2:04 am
                                                           Re: Not an excuse.Archilen6/15/15 2:51 am
                                                                 Re: Not an excuse.Quirel6/16/15 3:20 am
                                               I know.Gravemind6/14/15 12:37 pm
                             They even have guards to protect their no kneesscarab6/13/15 4:22 am
                                   Re: They even have guards to protect their no kneeArchilen6/13/15 4:38 am
                                         Re: They even have guards to protect their no kneescarab6/13/15 5:05 am
                                               Re: They even have guards to protect their no kneeVincent6/13/15 9:23 am
                                                     The military lets you pick the ambiance andscarab6/13/15 6:28 pm
                                                     Re: They even have guards to protect their no kneeQuirel6/14/15 2:03 am
                                               Re: They even have guards to protect their no kneeGeneral Vagueness6/13/15 7:45 pm
                                   Re: They even have guards to protect their no kneeQuirel6/14/15 2:04 am
           Really?!The BS Police6/12/15 7:54 pm
                 Promethean Fighting style theoryBounce-A-Gon6/12/15 8:38 pm
                 Ja really.Quirel6/12/15 11:28 pm
                       Infinitesimally less butt ugly...scarab6/13/15 4:11 am
                             I saw you jump into the conversation...Quirel6/14/15 1:39 am
                       Re: Ja really.Archilen6/13/15 4:18 am
     Re: Ready up live Halo 5 info dump *spoilers*General Vagueness6/12/15 6:18 pm
           Re: Ready up live Halo 5 info dump *spoilers*Quirel6/12/15 6:24 pm
           grunts actually got some changesBounce-A-Gon6/12/15 6:44 pm
                 That's almost worse. *NM*Quirel6/12/15 6:53 pm
                       ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ *NM*Bounce-A-Gon6/12/15 7:15 pm
                             Ja, pretty much. *NM*Quirel6/12/15 7:17 pm
                 Re: grunts actually got some changesGravemind6/12/15 8:23 pm
                       Re: grunts actually got some changesApollo6/12/15 10:08 pm
                       Re: grunts actually got some changeszofinda6/12/15 10:32 pm
                             They are a ring species - just like Cortanascarab6/13/15 4:37 am
                 Re: grunts actually got some changesGeneral Vagueness6/13/15 3:06 pm
                       Re: grunts actually got some changesBounce-A-Gon6/13/15 4:01 pm
                             Re: grunts actually got some changesGeneral Vagueness6/13/15 4:34 pm
     Although I do not have an XBOX One...robofin1176/12/15 8:28 pm
     DBNO? Commandable squads?Azo 'Galvat6/12/15 10:27 pm
     Promethean Soldierhunt3r6/13/15 4:02 am
           warning tin foil hat theory above ^ *NM*Bounce-A-Gon6/13/15 1:19 pm
           +1 *NM*Grizzlei6/13/15 1:58 pm
           Re: Promethean Soldierzofinda6/13/15 6:51 pm
                 Re: Promethean Soldierhunt3r6/14/15 9:33 pm
           Nope.Quirel6/14/15 1:57 am

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