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Speaking as a fan of Halo 4...
By:Dervish
Date: 8/9/13 2:30 pm
In Response To: Halo 4, fans, and 343 (Schooly D)

I don't post or participate here all that often, but I've been reading the boards regularly since the Halo 2 days. I've always enjoyed seeing mature, thoughtful people expressing the same enthusiasm for Halo games that I felt. Although it doesn't match Halo 2 and 3's level of excellence, I actually enjoyed Halo 4 a fair bit, so it's been a bit of a bummer lately to drop in and see that my excitement is no longer shared. So for what's it's worth, here a few loosely related thoughts that are on my mind:

-For me, Halo 4 succeeded at the biggest hurdle facing it, which was to prove that it needed to exist. I had been entirely satisfied with the ending of Halo 3, and wasn't sure there was any point exploring anything that happened in the universe after that. But although it stumbled in places, Halo 4's story got my attention and made me excited again to find out what happens next.

-I don't think burning out on Halo is inevitable so much as turning against the new guy is inevitable. I really can't think of a single change to fiction, design or gameplay made by 343 that isn't equivalent to a change Bungie made. Bungie changed characterizations and motivations of established characters on the fly (Sgt. Johnson, Prophet of Truth), added unfun or broken enemies (Halo 2 Brutes, flood pure forms), radically changed designs without explanation (Elites in H2, H3 and Reach) and regularly ignored books and other peripheral fiction. But speaking for myself at least, I loved each new game anyway because I knew I was seeing a group of artists refining their craft. But as soon as 343 puts their own (really rather modest) spin on fiction, design or gameplay, they are characterized as tampering with things that should never be tampered with. 343 seems to be in an unwinable position here, but I wish the community would be more open to change. It's not like you can't still play the Bungie games, after all.

-One of the biggest differences I see between Bungie and 343 is that I don't feel like I know anything about the people who work at 343. People like Joe Staten and Marty O'Donnell were always super charismatic in videos, interviews, podcasts and the like. Even though I never met those folks, I felt like I understood where they were coming from in their professional work, and could see their influence on the games they made. But the interviews with 343 I've seen...I dunno. They seem guarded, even corporate in their presentation of themselves. Knowing the faces behind the Bungie Halo games was always a big part of my appreciation of them, so it's a shame 343 employees can't be more open about their goals and interests. I'm sure there are some brilliant minds there, but we don't know anything about them so we're forced to draw our own, often negative conclusions.

So yes, I think there is room for improvement on both sides. I reckon 343 could do to be more transparent, but I think fans could do to be more receptive. You'll never enjoy something if you don't want to enjoy it. As for me, I think 343 got off to a good start with Halo 4, and with a few lessons learned they could really knock it out of the park with the next one.


Messages In This Thread

Halo 4, fans, and 343Schooly D8/9/13 2:27 am
     Re: Halo 4, fans, and 343Pkmnrulz2408/9/13 5:01 am
           Re: Halo 4, fans, and 343bluerunner8/9/13 8:00 am
                 Re: Halo 4, fans, and 343Pkmnrulz2408/9/13 10:19 am
                       Re: Halo 4, fans, and 343Captain Spark8/9/13 10:42 am
     $10 to the charity of your choicekidtsunami8/9/13 5:31 am
     Re: Halo 4, fans, and 343ZaneZavin8/9/13 8:22 am
     Re: Halo 4, fans, and 343Kal8/9/13 9:36 am
           Re: Halo 4, fans, and 343Pkmnrulz2408/9/13 10:31 am
                 Re: Halo 4, fans, and 343Kal8/9/13 10:57 am
     Re: Halo 4, fans, and 343Ragashingo8/9/13 9:55 am
     Re: Halo 4, fans, and 343The Lionheart8/9/13 9:57 am
     Re: Halo 4, fans, and 343DEEP NNN8/9/13 10:22 am
     It's no secret...padraig088/9/13 10:50 am
     Re: Halo 4, fans, and 343TDSpiral8/9/13 12:16 pm
     Positive comments insideUrban Reflex8/9/13 1:59 pm
           Re: Positive comments insidethebruce08/9/13 2:26 pm
                 Re: Positive comments insideAvateur8/10/13 12:10 am
                       Re: Positive comments insidethebruce08/12/13 10:46 am
           Re: Positive comments insideDEEP NNN8/9/13 2:56 pm
                 Re: Positive comments insidestabbim8/9/13 8:53 pm
                 Re: Positive comments insidethebruce08/12/13 10:49 am
     Speaking as a fan of Halo 4...Dervish8/9/13 2:30 pm
           Re: Speaking as a fan of Halo 4...thebruce08/12/13 10:58 am
                 Re: And by David I mean...thebruce08/12/13 11:25 am
     I am minority.Revenant19888/9/13 5:05 pm
           here here *NM*davidfuchs8/9/13 7:00 pm
           Re: I am minority.Schooly D8/9/13 7:06 pm
                 Re: I am minority.Revenant19888/9/13 7:32 pm
                       Re: I am minority.Avateur8/10/13 12:48 am
                             Re: I am minority.Revenant19888/12/13 8:26 am
           Re: I am minority.Avateur8/10/13 12:45 am
                 Re: I am minority. (pt 2)Revenant19888/12/13 9:37 am
                       Re: I am minority. (pt 2)Quirel8/12/13 8:25 pm
                       Re: I am minority. (pt 2)Avateur8/12/13 9:35 pm
           I definitely stay for the peoplepadraig088/12/13 10:26 am
                 Group hug time!LostSpartan9878/12/13 8:49 pm
           Re: I am minority.Kermit8/12/13 1:03 pm
                 Re: I am minority.Revenant19888/12/13 1:24 pm
                       Re: I am minority.Stephen L. (SoundEffect)8/12/13 2:57 pm
                 Re: I am minority.Miguel Chavez8/13/13 12:00 am
     Re: Halo 4, fans, and 343Cody Miller8/9/13 7:34 pm
           Re: Halo 4, fans, and 343Kermit8/13/13 11:54 am
     Re: Halo 4, fans, and 343nillapuddin8/9/13 8:26 pm
           Re: Halo 4, fans, and 343Quirel8/9/13 9:09 pm
                 Re: Halo 4, fans, and 343nillapuddin8/9/13 9:39 pm
                       Re: Halo 4, fans, and 343Quirel8/10/13 12:30 am
                             Re: Halo 4, fans, and 343nillapuddin8/10/13 4:45 am
     Re: Halo 4, fans, and 343stabbim8/9/13 9:25 pm
     My thoughts...bryan newman8/9/13 11:08 pm
     Re: Halo 4, fans, and 343Avateur8/10/13 12:15 am
     Re: Halo 4, fans, and 343Azo 'Galvat8/10/13 1:07 am
     A challenge to the lurkers:Quirel8/10/13 2:27 am
           Re: A challenge to the lurkers:Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316)8/10/13 5:55 am
           Re: A challenge to the lurkers (and 343)thebruce08/12/13 11:41 am
     Figured it outCody Miller8/12/13 3:01 pm
           Re: Figured it outDHalo8/12/13 3:02 pm
           Johnson!scarab8/12/13 3:18 pm
                 Firefight and Orbital don't countscarab8/12/13 3:30 pm
           Elite plasma rifles! *NM*scarab8/12/13 3:19 pm
                 Reach - DOH! *NM*scarab8/12/13 3:20 pm
           Re: Figured it outCaptain Spark8/12/13 3:22 pm
           Re: Figured it outrhubarb8/12/13 4:05 pm
                 'What could have been...'rhubarb8/12/13 5:46 pm

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