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Primordium Musings *SP* long
Posted By: Mid7night <pakrat961@yahoo.com>Date: 1/5/12 1:15 p.m.


First off; HOLY CRAPP. Much of Primordium is exposition, only to finally come to a head in literally the last 15 pages, but WHAT a build and story! I KNOW some will not like it for that exact reason, but I enjoyed it thoroughly. :)

Having just finished Primordium, I wish to build on and revise an idea I previously postulated here.:

Imagine that the Precursors were actually a more advanced, "balanced" version of the Flood all along, and the Flood (as we know it) is really just the basest form of Precursor possible. They would wield all the power the Flood has to assimilate organisms and machines alike, telepathic communication, etc; but the one-minded, homogeneous steamroller would be balanced by a higher individualistic reasoning, and enhanced by an even greater power to create anything, not just soldier-organisms to perpetuate the cycle.

And the Mantle.... Instead of just being a galactic form of species-husbandry, the preservation of the Mantle would actually be the daily act of balancing oneself as a Precursor; wielding and balancing the power to both create and destroy life itself.

I can imagine then, that if the Precursors created a species as powerful as the Forerunner, one that they could pass the Mantle on to, that that creation might be powerful enough to give them a run for their money. What if the Forerunner-Precursor War didn't "kill" the Precursors, but beat the them down into their basest form, removing the balanced Mantle from them and reducing them to the Flood?

First, a few presumptions now made fact by Primordium:

1. Precursors created the Forerunners
2. Precursors created the Humans
3. The Precursors would periodically "erase" civilization(s) from the galaxy (universe?) when they deemed it necessary; and when the Forerunner saw this eventuality approaching, they fought the Precursors (their creators) and (presumably) won.

Now, look at this exchange between the Captive and the Didact;

"Those who created you were defied and hunted," the Captive said. "Most were extinguished. A few fled beyond your reach. Creation continued."
"Defied! You were monsters set upon destroying all who would assume the Mantle."
"It was long ago decided. Forerunners will never Bear the Mantle."
"Decided how?"
"Through long study. The decision is final. Humans will replace you. Humans will be tested next."

The Didact replies, confused:
"But most humans are immune," the Didact said. Then he seemed to understand ... "Can the Flood choose to infect, or not to infect?"

The Captive confirms:
"No immunity. Judgement. Timing."

Skipping down a bit further, the Didact rages:
"How can you control any of this? You're STUCK here - the last of your kind!"

The Captive clarifies:
"The last of THIS kind."

The Captive continues clarification:
"We are the Flood. There is no difference. ... In a hundred and one thousand centuries...unity again, and wisdom."

Conclusions:

To revise my previous conjecture; the Precursor is not an "advanced Flood", rather; the Flood is but one manifestation of the Precursors, perhaps even just the latest one, given that the Captive is "the last of THIS kind".
It also stands to reason that the Flood is perhaps the means by which the Precursors erased civilizations whenever they chose.

Given the revelation that 343GS is/was/contains Chakas, and the Captive's statement that 'humans will replace Forerunners', 343GS's statement to the Chief "you ARE Forerunner" makes a little more sense to me.

I'm honestly still unclear as to what exactly "the Mantle" is, or how it is defined, but it seems to me that it is not something "passed on" per-se, but rather "bestowed" and then borne by those chosen by the Precursor for a time, also chosen by the Precursor.

The REALLY confusing part comes with the conversations between the different team-leaders, ONI commanders and such, because there are NO DATES given! Is this a glimpse into a secret communication going on in the 25th/26th centuries? One could say that it happens prior to the end of Halo3, since that's when the Master Chief destroys 343GS...but if it's possible that the conversation is happening with a fragment of GS, then I suppose any time period is possible.

Or even MORE ominous ... What if these conversations were going on with the recovered remains of 343GS, not totally destroyed as we might assume by the end of Halo3? O_O

It is entirely possible, given the deteriorating state mentioned repeatedly by the different team-members, and the fact that GS eventually takes over an entire SHIP, that this is all happening AFTER Halo3.

OMG... "I know where to find her." ... on one certain Forerunner construct/world? Certainly would make sense why the last three games are collectively called the Reclaimer Trilogy.

You all need to know that I did not start out this post with that last thought in mind. Isn't it amazing where imagination can take you? I think that's what I love about this particular fiction. :-)

Of course, there is still one more whole book left to turn everything we think we know completely upside-down and inside-out...AGAIN. :D

- BSAV -



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Primordium Musings *SP* longMid7night 1/5/12 1:15 p.m.
     Re: Primordium Musings *SP* longGrizzlei 1/5/12 1:25 p.m.
           Re: Primordium Musings *SP* longMid7night 1/5/12 1:36 p.m.
                 Re: Primordium Musings *SP* longGrizzlei 1/5/12 1:42 p.m.
                       Re: Primordium Musings *SP* longGrimBrother One 1/5/12 2:18 p.m.
                             Re: Primordium Musings *SP* longGrizzlei 1/5/12 2:25 p.m.
                                   Re: Primordium Musings *SP* longGrimBrother One 1/5/12 7:45 p.m.
     Still in denial about Chackas, etc.Arithmomaniac 1/5/12 1:37 p.m.
           Re: Still in denial about Chackas, etc.Mid7night 1/5/12 1:43 p.m.
           Re: Still in denial about Chackas, etc.Grizzlei 1/5/12 1:44 p.m.
                 Re: Still in denial about Chackas, etc.Arithmomaniac 1/5/12 1:51 p.m.
                       Re: Still in denial about Chackas, etc.Grizzlei 1/5/12 1:53 p.m.
     Re: Primordium Musings *SP* longPostmortem 1/6/12 2:19 a.m.
           Re: Primordium Musings *SP* longQuirel 1/8/12 1:11 p.m.
                 Re: Primordium Musings *SP* longPostmortem 1/9/12 12:53 a.m.
                       Late to the party!Metalingus627 1/21/12 1:02 a.m.
     I've got a thought nowRevenant1988 1/6/12 10:38 a.m.
           Re: I've got a thought nowMid7night 1/6/12 10:50 a.m.
                 Re: I've got a thought nowRevenant1988 1/6/12 10:59 a.m.
                       Re: I've got a thought now - how about a bunch?yakaman 1/6/12 2:01 p.m.
                             Re: I've got a thought now - how about a bunch?Mid7night 1/6/12 2:28 p.m.
                                   Re: I've got a thought now - how about a bunch?yakaman 1/6/12 4:02 p.m.
                                         Re: I've got a thought now - how about a bunch?Mid7night 1/6/12 4:08 p.m.
                                               Re: I've got a thought now - how about a bunch?yakaman 1/6/12 4:16 p.m.
                                                     Re: I've got a thought now - how about a bunch?Mid7night 1/6/12 4:35 p.m.
                             Re: I've got a thought now - how about a bunch?DHalo 1/6/12 2:29 p.m.
                                   Re: I've got a thought now - how about a bunch?yakaman 1/6/12 4:13 p.m.
                                         Re: I've got a thought now - how about a bunch?Mid7night 1/6/12 4:29 p.m.
     343GS 'volunteered'? *Prim SP*Mid7night 1/8/12 9:48 a.m.
           Re: 343GS 'volunteered'? *Prim SP*davidfuchs 1/8/12 12:26 p.m.
                 Re: 343GS 'volunteered'? *Prim SP*UNSC Trafalgar 1/8/12 2:25 p.m.
     Re: Primordium Musings *SP* longCaneCutter 1/9/12 11:22 p.m.



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